underboyleheating Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 How much did it cost us last year to be involved in Europe, and how much did we earn or lose from taking part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's not just about the money though if you look at the bigger picture. Being in Europe is a carrot to attract/keep players at the club and players with European experience should then be able to be sold for a higher fee later on. (except if you play for Motherwell then you get sold for 2 packets of salt n vinegar & a bottle of buckie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Today the St.Johnstone chairman was very downbeat over the financial side of qualifying for Europe. Last year it cost them £110,000 to for the plane and they only earned £90,000 from the round. A £20,000 loss for being successful, makes you wonder if Europe is financially the best thing for the smaller teams. What a Muppet that boy is. I take it they let in the 6000 St J fans for free when they played the Turkish side? It is maybe not as lucrative as we would all like, but we had a combined 15000+ from the 2 ties. For the flights, they were also sold to fans which would have kept the costs down. I am quite sure the club made a minimum £250k from our participation last season. Plus there is an outside chance like Hearts you draw a glamour team. If spurs or Liverpool had come to First Park it would have been a sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Maybe it's just me, but I'm not excited about Europe at all due to all the good players leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's not just about the money though if you look at the bigger picture. Being in Europe is a carrot to attract/keep players at the club You'd hope, but I haven't really seen much evidence of that in recent years, at least in terms of keeping players. We've probably been a victim of our own success in that regard; anyone in or around the first team has already been there, done that in the Europa League, and of course a good few now even have Champions League experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Maybe it's just me, but I'm not excited about Europe at all due to all the good players leaving. Too early for me to be worrying about it either way, really. We don't know who (else) is leaving, we don't know who's coming in, and we don't know who we'll be playing. A few weeks without fitba', one half-decent signing and an attractive draw and I'm sure we'll all be gagging for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 I presume the draw will start to take shape after next weekend when we know where we will be starting and most leagues are finished? I won't be allowed to the away leg this year, but still looking forward to the euro adventure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 A few weeks without fitba', one half-decent signing and an attractive draw and I'm sure we'll all be gagging for it Pretty much. I'm looking at my football season starting on the 11th of July this year, with a trip to an Andorran team's EL 1st round qualifier. Sooo, 6 weeks without football? About 8/10 before ones that matter? Could probably just about manage that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 1369042925[/url]' post='383298']I presume the draw will start to take shape after next weekend when we know where we will be starting and most leagues are finished? I won't be allowed to the away leg this year, but still looking forward to the euro adventure! Medical reasons or Mammy won't let you go, or travel injunction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Think all the Q'fying games should be regionalised. Divide Europe into 4 sections, a natural split would be the former iron curtain for east/west then north/south could follow the Pyranees along the Alps across the top of Croatia Serbia Romania and Moldova to the Black Sea. So that would pretty much mean we'd be UK/Ireland/Scandinavia/Low Countries/France/Germany/Switzerland/Luxemburg until the Group Stages --- which would be a lot fairer on Clubs and fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Problem with that half - "half of our" group don't enter till very late in Qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Medical reasons or Mammy won't let you go, or travel injunction? Baby due 2 weeks before 2nd qualifying round. (I'm working on James if its a boy!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Some of the seeded teams we could face in the 3rd qualifying round: Would take Swansea, Brugge, Udinese, Stuttgart or Vitesse. Not Dnipro CC: 42.829 Club Brugge CC: 36.880 Beşiktaş CC: 34.900 Saint-Étienne CC: 26.800 Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk CC: 23.951 Swansea City CC: 16.592 Eintracht Frankfurt or StuttgartNote GER Estoril or Vitória de GuimarãesNote POR Vitesse CC: 9.945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Some of the seeded teams we could face in the 3rd qualifying round: Would take Swansea, Brugge, Udinese, Stuttgart or Vitesse. Not Dnipro CC: 42.829 Club Brugge CC: 36.880 Beşiktaş CC: 34.900 Saint-Étienne CC: 26.800 Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk CC: 23.951 Swansea City CC: 16.592 Eintracht Frankfurt or StuttgartNote GER Estoril or Vitória de GuimarãesNote POR Vitesse CC: 9.945 St Etienne can still qualify for the champions league, between them, Lyon & Lille going into the last round of fixtures. Was there in 98 at World Cup, enjoyed the place but obviously not the result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 France is a big no no for me, after nancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Personally would prefer Swansea. Could give them a go, cheap and would take a massive support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 France is a big no no for me, after nancy. I really enjoyed Nancy. To be fair I was in the home end so missed the shenanigans that went on at the end. I'm guessing that's what's putting you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 For me a team from another country to tick off the list. One that was glamorous and accessible would be even better. So Italy, Portugal or Belgium for example The best away days are where we have taken a decent away support. So Finland + Reykyavik were enjoyable, but not as good as Athens, Nancy or Odense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 1369077888[/url]' post='383385']Baby due 2 weeks before 2nd qualifying round. (I'm working on James if its a boy!) Should be fine for the 3rd qualifying round tho, young James will be sleeping through the night by then surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 France is a big no no for me, after nancy. What was wrong with Nancy? I had a great time! ...aside from that fencepost falling off the lorry on the motorway. My heavy para was not helped by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell89 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Vitesse qualified for Europe!? impressive, sure they are newly promoted this season. Swansea would be the worst if they pumped us.. but the best if we somehow sneaked through. Belgium would be good, could pay our good mate the goal machine a visit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 I really enjoyed Nancy. To be fair I was in the home end so missed the shenanigans that went on at the end. I'm guessing that's what's putting you off. I enjoyed Nancy too, although being kept in for the length of time we were post match was excessive imho. I was in St Etienne for Scotland's RWC match with Portugal in 2007. The city is very pro-Scottish after St Etienne's EC Final at Hampden. Think there's a pub/hotel called The Glasgow Bar or something like that. Fly to Lyon and 45mins in double decker train to St Etienne and a cracking stadium too. Dont fancy Swansea much, doubt we'd stand a chance against an EPL side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Would rather keep Swansea for the group stages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekwellfan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 After tonights European league matches the picture has become a bit clearer regarding seedings in round 2 & 3 of the europa league. If we are in round 2 we will be somewhere between ranking 17 and 27 of the teams in that draw making us comfortably one of the top 40 seeds In round 3 there are at least 29 teams ranked ahead of us already which confirms we would be a non seeded team It is difficult to predict possible opponents in round 2 as both round 1 and round 2 are drawn together on 24th of june. Dates however are the 18th and 25th of July However seeded teams already qualified for round 3 are Udinese, Bruge, Swansea, Bursaspor, Metalurg Donetsk. In Germany the same situation arises as our own cup final . If Bayern win the German cup then Stuttgart are in round 3 if stuttgart win it will be Eintracht Frankfurt as possible opponents. In Spain it will be whoever finishes 7th in the league one of Malaga, Real Betis or Rayo VallecanoI. In Portugal if Benfica win the cup it will be Vitoria Guimaraes if not it will be Estoril In France it is likely to be St Etienne although it could conceivably be Lille or Nice The draw for round 3 is on July 19th with games on August the 1st and 8th By sunday evening we will know which round we will be in and more of the leagues will be completed. Tune in for next weeks update. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Brilliant stuff, cheers for all the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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