Tamwell Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I was at Hibs v Aberdeen today (pals a hibee, fancied a day out) and I would be surprised if we lost against either team. Utter, utter dross from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 In my lifetime, Aberdeen have had success that we can only dream of. They won the Premier League 3 times, the Scottish Cup 6 times, the League Cup 4 times, the European Cup Winners Cup once and the European Super Cup once. Apart from one League Cup, all the others came in the 80s or 90s. The media aren't very imaginative at the best of times, so on the rare occasions that they are looking outside of the OF for a story, it's not surprising that Aberdeen are the first team that come to mind as, for a period, they really did upset the Glasgow dominance (along with Dundee Utd). Lazy on their part, of course, but I wouldn't expect any less on their part. Back to the game itself, it looks like the club understands the fans' priority this season, so let's hope the performance reflects that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 The BBC think we are playing Morton on Wednesday... Manager Stuart McCall wants Motherwell to banish the memory of a lacklustre loss to St Johnstone when they face Morton in a League Cup quarter-final... ...And the Steelmen will need to pick up their performance levels if they are to avoid an upset at Cappielow, with a semi-final place up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Not for the first time this season, more pressure on an Aberdeen game than there needs to be due to McCalls antics in the previous match. Listening to Radio Scotland after the St Johnstone game, the consensus is that we will come out the blocks quickly on Wednesday. Not convinced we are capable of doing so but I hope Anier and Ainsworth start and we blow them away early doors. Suspect we will be in for a tense night though. Big performances needed from the defence and Carswell to shackle McGinn, Hayes and co. Speaking to my Hibs pal, Willo Flood completely dominated their game yesterday. Should be a good battle between him and Lasley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I thought Aberdeen beat us pretty convincingly back in the first home game and the fact that we seem incapable of beating any of the expected Top Six teams this season I find a bit worrying. Aderdeen, Inverness, St. Johnstone, Celtic....I see a theme developing here, almost the opposite of last season when we had a very good record against the good teams and dropped a lot of points to the struggler. On the positive side our recent home record is very good, Aberdeen match aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Depends on team and "tactics" but I can see a 1-3 repeat. Just praying McCall doesn't make a cunt of it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Got the major fear for this game now. Had a bad feeling anyway but absolutely dreading it now after that horror show today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Don't want to become too negative after today because we have bounced back from woeful performances in the past but that was one of the worst for a long time, possibly the worst under McCall. However that doesn't mean we are a bad team, problem is our opponent on Wednesday are playing well and are defensively sound so we'll have to play well to get in behind them. Logic tells me Anier and Ainsworth probably didn't have two games in four days in them or they'd have been on today however I don't understand why they were taking a seat on the bench when there was no inclination to throw them on when we were on insipid and still in it at 0-1. That does tell me though that they should both make it and the team on Wednesday will be different than today's. Could see it going either way before this weekend and nothing that has happened has really changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Total change of tactics required. 4-2-1-3 Normal back 4 Lasley Carswell McFadden Ainsworth Sutton Anier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 This really is our best chance to win a cup in a long, long time. Arguably, we are the best team left in the competition but there are still a handful of teams who could deemed as the favourite. We have a better chance of winning a cup than normal but I think some people are getting carried away. Results this season seem to show me that we are only third or fourth favourites to win the cup. We've been beaten pretty comprehensively by Inverness, Aberdeen and St. Johnstone this season and we didn't beat Dundee Utd. The win over Hibs, while a good result, was hardly a convincing performance. The idea that 'our name is on the cup' just because Celtic are out the competition is ludicrous. We will need to put in performances and work bloody hard to even get into the next round. I hope we do it, but I dislike the idea that the cup is just waiting for us to pick up. Most years it's not the OF that put out us out the cup and this year will be no different unless we actually get our attitude right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAM Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just listened to McCall's interview on BBC after the game. He was asked about Hollis and Faddy for this game and said no chance. What is Faddy's injury? I thought I'd read somewhere he had recovered and was available for the St J game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 We have a better chance of winning a cup than normal but I think some people are getting carried away. Results this season seem to show me that we are only third or fourth favourites to win the cup. We've been beaten pretty comprehensively by Inverness, Aberdeen and St. Johnstone this season and we didn't beat Dundee Utd. The win over Hibs, while a good result, was hardly a convincing performance. The idea that 'our name is on the cup' just because Celtic are out the competition is ludicrous. We will need to put in performances and work bloody hard to even get into the next round. I hope we do it, but I dislike the idea that the cup is just waiting for us to pick up. Most years it's not the OF that put out us out the cup and this year will be no different unless we actually get our attitude right. I completely agree. If that's not what my post that you quoted suggests then I apologise. Never in a million years would I assume our name is on the cup. All I meant was that of all the teams left in the competition, if we play our absolute best against them, we could beat them. In previous years, even playing to our best, there's no guarantee that that would be enough to beat an in-form Celtic or Rangers. On current form, we aren't the favourites. However, over the last two or three years, we have performed better than the likes of Aberdeen and Dundee United. That's what I meant by being arguably the best team - and I did say arguably. I agree we have no right to be expectant or complacent. I kind of fear the worst for Wednesday. A lot of Aberdeen fans are already crowing. Here's hoping yesterday's game was last season's Ross County match where McCall tore into the players and they then went on a great run of form... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chummy Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Was faddys injury not a hammy tear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 To be honest, I sense a bit of a doing on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Keep the faith guys,we are a different team at Fir Park, and i fully expect a great reaction from the players after yesterdays dross. Its been a long tine since Aberdeen beat us twice in a season..it wont happen on Wednesday. It will be a hard game but we will win, i am going for 3-1 to the good guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC_MKI Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Keep the faith guys,we are a different team at Fir Park, and i fully expect a great reaction from the players after yesterdays dross. Its been a long tine since Aberdeen beat us twice in a season..it wont happen on Wednesday. It will be a hard game but we will win, i am going for 3-1 to the good guys Not in big Cup games against Aberdeen we're not. Let's face it, in the last two seasons we've had, on paper at least, better sides than Aberdeen had yet we still managed to choke twice against them in Scottish Cup games so I really don't see how things are going to change given that its them who now have the better side man for man. I look at it this way. Even if you take away the fact that Aberdeen are the form side in the SPFL just now - outside Celtic anyway - our record over the years in Cup games, especially at Fir Park is utterly appalling and I really don't see Wednesday being any different. We either fail to turn up or get absolutely every possible thing that could go wrong for us, going wrong for us, ie. penalties being missed, corners wrongly awarded etc. Wednesday will either go two ways. We'll either lose convincingly by two goals as we did in August, or it'll be a fairly even game that we'll lose late on or on penalties. Either way we will lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 there is no excuses for the performance and tactics against st johnstone but im not going to let that cloud my judgement on this game too much as we will make changes and play a formation that suits us best against aberdeen.mccall obviously seen this game as the priority rather than the st johnstone game so he should have the players fired right up but with no old firm left in the cup and a home tie in the quarters thats all the motivation our guys should need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan09 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Aberdeen fans are a funny bunch, at the start of the season they strung a few wins together n the glory days were back and they were going to win trophy after trophy and challenge the tims. Then they went through a wee spell without the wins and we heard nothing. Now they've had a few more and the glory days have returned once again Fucking idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Not in big Cup games against Aberdeen we're not. Let's face it, in the last two seasons we've had, on paper at least, better sides than Aberdeen had yet we still managed to choke twice against them in Scottish Cup games so I really don't see how things are going to change given that its them who now have the better side man for man. I look at it this way. Even if you take away the fact that Aberdeen are the form side in the SPFL just now - outside Celtic anyway - our record over the years in Cup games, especially at Fir Park is utterly appalling and I really don't see Wednesday being any different. We either fail to turn up or get absolutely every possible thing that could go wrong for us, going wrong for us, ie. penalties being missed, corners wrongly awarded etc. Wednesday will either go two ways. We'll either lose convincingly by two goals as we did in August, or it'll be a fairly even game that we'll lose late on or on penalties. Either way we will lose. Like the last time we played them in a League Cup Quarter Final? Go away again trolly troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC_MKI Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Like the last time we played them in a League Cup Quarter Final? Go away again trolly troll. No, but like the more recent two occasions when we played them in the Scottish Cup Quarter Final and 4th Round replay respectively, on both occasions when we were out-performing them in the League yet still managed to screw up against them in what should have been very winnable Cup ties. Obviously there are exceptions, ie. the 1-0 win over Aberdeen in the LCQF of 2005 which you refer to, and the 2011 Scottish Cup Quarter Final against Dundee Utd, but on the whole our record in Cup games, especially at Fir Park over the years has been deplorable and although we all hope Wednesday will be one of the exceptions, I've just got no faith in us in these types of games, ie. one which the support is absolutely desperate to win to progress to a Semi Final of what is an open Cup competition. I've seen it all before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I've seen it all before. So you've seen it all before and never seen us win a Cup game against a decent top flight side? Or seen us win key games to finish 2nd in the league? Or even just win a game? I was hoping you'd have different trolling patter now you're back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC_MKI Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 So you've seen it all before and never seen us win a Cup game against a decent top flight side? Or seen us win key games to finish 2nd in the league? Or even just win a game? I was hoping you'd have different trolling patter now you're back. If you'd actually read what I'd posted you'd have seen that I said that there "obviously are exceptions" and mentioned them. I'm referring to Cup games at Fir Park over the years in the main here and our record in such games, especially in latter stages, is poor to say the least. If you or anyone else can offer me any evidence to suggest otherwise then I'd be glad to hear it. Obviously I hope we win on Wednesday, for nothing else than it'll be great to get one over on Aberdeen for the last two Scottish Cup encounters at Fir Park and to shut up their cronies in the media, but most importantly because I believe that if we can overcome this tie then we've got a real chance of achieving our greatest feat since 1991. But like I said, I've seen us 'choke' on so many occasions over the years when in a similar position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I fail to see how this is trolling. Yes the poster might have a different and somewhat negative view to others on the forum but he calls it how he sees it. Nothing wrong with that in my view or should we all blindly beat the same drum when the truth is staring us in the face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 It's definitely trolling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 It is trolling but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have a point. We do tend to choke in big games, especially when we get a big crowd inside Fir Park. I'd probably be even more harsh than MJC and throw Nancy and Odense home games into the pot as evidence. However, as someone else pointed out we have had to pull a couple of big performances out of the hat over the past few seasons at Fir Park to qualify for Europe and it can happen again. This game really could go either way but I'm going to keep the faith and go with both teams to score and a home win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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