Ianc Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Have a read at this http://www.tsfm.net/scottish-football-an-honest-game-honestly-governed/ And these http://www.scribd.com/doc/210130622/2011-03-23-Rangers-DOS-Docs http://i.imgur.com/q88NFQq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ytPbuSp.jpg And tell me we shouldn't get rid of the current SPFL managers and the SFA president? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Seconded Too many people have been deprived of this information. Due to an agenda driven and deeply compromised media. The ground work to limit the damage to the new rangers when this administration happens is quite shocking too. It's time the clubs started addressing this. Ours included. Time to get rid of 11-1 voting also Good work Ian Have you mailed it to MFC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianc Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Not yet going to send it all with my 'Well soc application. Hopefully someone takes it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I think this is the type of thing the Well Society Reps should be all over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianc Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Agree thats why I posted tonight sign up do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Bellows Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Great stuff - agree with all the points above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianc Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 To confirm. I'm not anti anyone. I've been to Third Lanark, Clyde, Celtic, & Rangers as a kid but 99% Well games in my time. I'm just sick to death of corruption in the SFA and very likely see another cover up about to happen. Let just clear them out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Cliffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianc Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigshinyhead Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 So, another Rangers thread then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ian - So who made these 'docs' available - I smell shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 ? Sorry, 'cliffs' is internet slang to request a brief description of what's in the links, and what they're about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Why would we want Dempster as SFA president? Motherwell were happy to get into bed with Sevco and keep them in the SPL when much of the corruption was out in the open. Fuck wasting our time on Rangers, they'll always rise to the top. There is a far more pivotal media driven agenda that this country should be looking to eradicate in advance of Sept 18th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Gazzy - they are letters purporting to be from HMRC indicating the payment of EBT's to Tore Andre Flo, Ronald De-Boer and Craig Moore (If they actually paid him an EBT they deserve everything they get) and the deliberate withholding of such information. Having spent 30+ years in various Government Departments, the language, tone and construction of such a highly sensitive (and unsigned) letter makes it dubious at best. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think there's a bit of 'skullduggery' at play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Whether the documents are fake or not is up for debate. However, the fact Campbell Ogilvie is still in his position after all the shambles of the past few years at Rangers - a club he was director of during times in question - shouldn't be up for debate at all!! He shouldn't even have been given the right to walk away quietly, he should have been fired out on his arse! Corruption at the top echelons of our game has always been an issue, with individual agendas dominating over a balance of fairness. For me, these articles being true or not, doesn't change the fact that we need major revolution in the corridors of power in Scottish football. The fact Regan, Doncaster, Ogilvie, etc have breezed through this whole debacle with almost zero scrutiny from the media or from the board baffles me. Fans must put pressure on their respective boards to act and question this whole process and push for clarity and transparency. And as Diggle says - the 11-1 system must be abolished as a matter of urgency! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC_MKI Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Gazzy - they are letters purporting to be from HMRC indicating the payment of EBT's to Tore Andre Flo, Ronald De-Boer and Craig Moore (If they actually paid him an EBT they deserve everything they get) and the deliberate withholding of such information. Having spent 30+ years in various Government Departments, the language, tone and construction of such a highly sensitive (and unsigned) letter makes it dubious at best. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think there's a bit of 'skullduggery' at play. So basically they're a load of shite then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Whether the documents are fake or not is up for debate. However, the fact Campbell Ogilvie is still in his position after all the shambles of the past few years at Rangers - a club he was director of during times in question - shouldn't be up for debate at all!! He shouldn't even have been given the right to walk away quietly, he should have been fired out on his arse! Corruption at the top echelons of our game has always been an issue, with individual agendas dominating over a balance of fairness. For me, these articles being true or not, doesn't change the fact that we need major revolution in the corridors of power in Scottish football. The fact Regan, Doncaster, Ogilvie, etc have breezed through this whole debacle with almost zero scrutiny from the media or from the board baffles me. Fans must put pressure on their respective boards to act and question this whole process and push for clarity and transparency. And as Diggle says - the 11-1 system must be abolished as a matter of urgency! They tried but Aberdeen(famous in the 80's)sided with Celtic to block it.There now seems to be an attempt to manafacture a rivalry between those two to fill the void for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Whether the documents are fake or not is up for debate. However, the fact Campbell Ogilvie is still in his position after all the shambles of the past few years at Rangers - a club he was director of during times in question - shouldn't be up for debate at all!! He shouldn't even have been given the right to walk away quietly, he should have been fired out on his arse! Corruption at the top echelons of our game has always been an issue, with individual agendas dominating over a balance of fairness. For me, these articles being true or not, doesn't change the fact that we need major revolution in the corridors of power in Scottish football. The fact Regan, Doncaster, Ogilvie, etc have breezed through this whole debacle with almost zero scrutiny from the media or from the board baffles me. Fans must put pressure on their respective boards to act and question this whole process and push for clarity and transparency. And as Diggle says - the 11-1 system must be abolished as a matter of urgency! Wholeheartedly agree on all the points - good post, though what was the phrase Fatcalf used - "The more things change, the more they stay the same". As for Aberdeen and their ideas above their station attitude, the least said the better. There was an opportunity for fundamental change which has sadly been missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 See I personally think these docs are genuine. Guys like Stuart Cosgrove in the recent TSFM Podcast (worth a listen) believes the material to be genuine. The only question appears to have been how the documents came into possession of the infamous charlottefakes twitterer. It widely believed that the material was on Craig Whytes PC and further still the drip release was orchestrated by Whyte himself. There has obviously been some reluctance to handle the material in the press. And although it was widely discussed online it couldn't really go much further than that. Until Imran Ahmad managed to get a ruling that it was admissible in court in his case with Sevco. This allows media to start handling It. It also opens up the opportunity for learned guys like 'auldheid' on TSFM to collate it and fire the first Bampot salvo vs Ogilvie, Doncaster and their cohorts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think the chances of them being genuine are very slim. The history of documents appearing on the internet is checkered to say the least, and to have any credibility the source needs to be independently verified and they need at least one expert to corroborate their validity. As for the SFA, I have said it before - if the clubs wanted change, they could have it. The fact that no change has been forthcoming shows they are quite content to let things carry on as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 See I personally think these docs are genuine. Guys like Stuart Cosgrove in the recent TSFM Podcast (worth a listen) believes the material to be genuine. And what integrity does he have, he's a journalist for f...s sake . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 You obviously don't know anything about Stuart Cosgrove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 A generalisation my humourless friend - hence the use of the smiley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 No it wasn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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