Kmcalpin Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 They could wait until after the fixtures were announced if they wanted the broadcasters to mess with the kickoff times at even shorter notice than usual as soon as they'd been announced, but presumably people wouldn't like that either. Whilst I don't agree with all the behind the scenes machinations that go on, you are correct. Once the fixtures have been drawn up in draft, the Police would still have to be consulted before they were published. That could take a few days. They could then be published. However then the TV companies would then start chopping and changing them and even later changes announced. Its the system thats wrong, not the timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 And with us due a home game v Celtic. Quite sure after the events at the last game inside and outside the ground - the police would have a big say when that game is played. I suspect they will go for a Sunday or Saturday at 12.15 or something similar. Would be v surprised if that was a later KO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 To be fair, it's 30 individual games to be scheduled over a 6 - 8 week period. While it might only take an hour to work it out on paper, actually arranging 'major events' with all the relevant bodies simply takes a bit of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Total joke it's taking this long considering they've known who's going to be in the bottom and top 6 for a fair bit. Not all football fans just watch it on the telly, some of us still actually go to the games!! Be lucky if we have 1 game at a 3pm kick off on a Saturday n'aw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 i would rather see them announce the split fixtures at the start of the season based on league position. The top 4 teams would get 3 home games with 5th and 6th only getting 2 home games. I would rather see them announce the split is being scrapped at the start of the season and re-introduce a league system based on playing the same number of games home and away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Total joke it's taking this long considering they've known who's going to be in the bottom and top 6 for a fair bit. Not all football fans just watch it on the telly, some of us still actually go to the games!! Be lucky if we have 1 game at a 3pm kick off on a Saturday n'aw. Totally agree. If it was the FA the fixtures would have been announced a week ago! The SPFL are fairly inept truth be told. So this delay should come as no surprise. I would imagine that our fixtures v Celtic, Aberdeen and United will be televised. So none will be at 3pm on a Saturday. I can see our last game being a home tie v Dundee United. The only 3pm KO on a Saturday will likely be Inverness away !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 anybody recall if Scottish cup semi final weekend (12/13th April) normally has a premiership top league card? the last game before split is Monday 7th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 McCall was talking about having a two week break after the St Mirren game, so presumably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Cheers, so as fans we have a weekend off, feckers might advertise that a wee bit in advance! what to do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 To be fair the dates of each round of fixtures were on the SPFL website a few weeks ago, there is a midweek round after the split, can't remember which week off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigeeze Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I would rather see them announce the split is being scrapped at the start of the season and re-introduce a league system based on playing the same number of games home and away. This point exactly. The split is a joke when you consider you can end up with team finishing 7th in league having more ppoints than 5th or 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 This point exactly. The split is a joke when you consider you can end up with team finishing 7th in league having more ppoints than 5th or 6th. While there are certainly things I don't like about the split, this one doesn't bother me in the least. You're not comparing like with like, so it's a meaningless comparison. As long as we have the split, sometimes I wish they'd just go the whole hog, treat the post-split as two groups proper with the bottom team in each group starting on zero again (and the teams above retaining their relative points advantages), so people didn't feel the need to point out this "problem" every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 While there are certainly things I don't like about the split, this one doesn't bother me in the least. You're not comparing like with like, so it's a meaningless comparison. As long as we have the split, sometimes I wish they'd just go the whole hog, treat the post-split as two groups proper with the bottom team in each group starting on zero again (and the teams above retaining their relative points advantages), so people didn't feel the need to point out this "problem" every year. Better yet - how about every team in the two groups starting with zero. Only chance (albeit remotely) of anyone competing with Celtic for the title. And each year all the other teams agree they will lie down to say Motherwell for example and try like Barstewards against Celtic. So we have 4 wins and then play Celtic. Cloud cuckoo land, but a nice thought.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 This point exactly. The split is a joke when you consider you can end up with team finishing 7th in league having more ppoints than 5th or 6th. I don't care about that, but I do care that teams like ours are regularly screwed out of home gates, and that the integrity of the league is negatively impacted by teams not having played each other the same amount of total times (or the same amount of times home/away). This could be partially addressed by reverting to the split of gate money, but the teams like Celtic who want a more competitive league aren't going to ever go back in that direction in case it results in a more competitive league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Better yet - how about every team in the two groups starting with zero. Only chance (albeit remotely) of anyone competing with Celtic for the title. And each year all the other teams agree they will lie down to say Motherwell for example and try like Barstewards against Celtic. So we have 4 wins and then play Celtic. Cloud cuckoo land, but a nice thought.. I think this is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard, why don't we just have a 6 game season and declare the winner then? If this ever happened i'd patch the football entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ped_MFC Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 The biggest gripe is always the discrepancy between the number of home and away games each side has. This article on splstats suggests the most likely team to have 18 home games and 20 away will be Aberdeen as they have benefited most in the past, unlikely to happen imho bearing in mind the media love-in towards them this season. http://splstats.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/post-split-fixtures-201314/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 the teams like Celtic who want a more competitive league aren't going to ever go back in that direction in case it results in a more competitive league. If Celtic want a more competitive league they could not spend £7,000,000 on three duds per close season (this season - Balde, Pukki, Boerrigter) that have no impact on their league win and which they clearly don't need and split the money evenly among the other teams to the tune of £630,000 each. Celtic even save on carrying three wasted wages. Everyone's a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think this is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard, why don't we just have a 6 game season and declare the winner then? If this ever happened i'd patch the football entirely. It is how the premier ship rugby down south works. Top 4 go into a play off if I recall. The reason why you would not have a 5 game season is that you need the 33 games to decide who plays for title and who plays for relegation. It was merely an example of how we would have a chance to win the title. Of course it is a guff idea, but in keeping with previous posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 At least its not baseball where they play 162 games each before they get to the playoff stage (which is effectively wiping the points off everyone). And even after 162 games the teams haven't still all played each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 It is how the premier ship rugby down south works. Top 4 go into a play off if I recall. The reason why you would not have a 5 game season is that you need the 33 games to decide who plays for title and who plays for relegation. It was merely an example of how we would have a chance to win the title. Of course it is a guff idea, but in keeping with previous posts. I think "re setting" the league is a great idea that gives other teams a chance of winning the league. Which is precidely why it will never happen. I don't see anything wrong with a 14 team league where you play everyone twice. then split into 2 parts and reset the points. So now 2 mini leagues of 7 play each other twice. everyone gets 38 games with 19 home and 19 away. Resetting gives everyone a new chance to win the league or avoid relegation. Depending on how the first phase is going it may give more latitude for the introduction of youngsters. Problems now are that the regualr fixture list is unbalanced and it's pot luck who you get to play twice at home and once away and of course, who knows what the hell you will get stuck with post split. Even if you did not reset the points I think the 14 team league splitting into 2x7 is more fair and easier to manage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well_Jaggy Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 would still prefer two leagues, top league of 20, play each other twice, 38 games. bottom league of 22, play each 0ther twice gives them 42 games, more gate income for the lower league clubs. no splits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I think "re setting" the league is a great idea that gives other teams a chance of winning the league. Which is precidely why it will never happen. I don't see anything wrong with a 14 team league where you play everyone twice. then split into 2 parts and reset the points. So now 2 mini leagues of 7 play each other twice. everyone gets 38 games with 19 home and 19 away. Resetting gives everyone a new chance to win the league or avoid relegation. Depending on how the first phase is going it may give more latitude for the introduction of youngsters. Can't say I like the idea of resetting at all. You could easily have a situation where by some teams qualify fairly early for the top half and them simply switch off as there would be no further incentive to do well pre split. Just think of the top 6 this season. Many games, last night's for example, could be meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Still no sign of the post-split fixtures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Still no sign of the post-split fixtures? I guess the Police and or the TV companies are still working out potential implications for their organisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I guess the Police and or the TV companies are still working out potential implications for their organisations. Every day later is a day later that some people have to commit to other business or personal plans. Plus those that are travelling from further afield. It was Saturday 22nd March when top and bottom 6 was decided. Coming up for 11 days now. Whilst I did not expect the fixtures that Monday/Tuesday to wait this long is a bit of a joke. I also note that there has only been one update. They are amateur to the point of embarrassing, especially given the salaries some of the them are on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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