Ya Bezzer! Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 I don't think it's so much that McManus was the problem last season, but that he and Hutchinson were too similar in style. Both centre halfs who like to go for the first header. Hutchinson's best form has come alongside centre backs who are not as dominant in the air and will let him deal with the first header. Thinking of Craigan, Ramsden and Clancy... Other reason we were more defensively suspect last season was, for me, the fact we gave away possession more therefore invited pressure. In that respect, the signing of Law and the emergence of Leitch may help, despite not being "defensive" players... I think we would have been defensively better this season if Hollis, Ramsden and Carswell had been ever presents. Instead they missed long spells, including some where all three overlapped in their absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 A keeper is more than shot stopping, it's communication and organisation. I think you do yourself and both goalies a huge disservice by a statistical analysis of one variable. Let's see how the guy pans out before you crucify him I think he does life a disservice by sitting researching goalie stats at midnight on a fucking Friday. Even for a windup that breaks the gimp scale. Who gives a fuck! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Aye, but what if the reason we've lost so many active members is because of certain people who deliberately provoke for a reaction? I'm sick fed up with this idea that if you don't enjoy reading comments like "McCall's a cunt" or "that abortion of a keeper" then you're a happy clapper who isn't interested in reasoned debate or discussion. No one wants to just read pages and pages of blind optimism and praise if it isn't appropriate. The vast majority of us on here have complained about something to do with the manager, the playing staff, the board, the Well Society, etc. That's fine. I want to know what the problems are and I want to know what my fellow 'Well fans think. However, there are two or three people on here who post vile, unnecessary comments or simply stir things looking for a reaction. If that doesn't bother anyone else, fair enough. On the other hand, if that is part of the reason for people becoming disenchanted and leaving the forums, surely it at least needs to be asked if it makes sense for such a tiny minority to have such an impact on the forums? Tbf, the majority of entertaining posters were lost in the great patter cull/ghoul rebellion after flow stopped running it, rather than folk leaving because of steelboy/mjc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 I think we would have been defensively better this season if Hollis, Ramsden and Carswell had been ever presents. Instead they missed long spells, including some where all three overlapped in their absence. I tend to agree with that. Ramsden was a big miss and irrespective of your opinion of our keepers, it probably would have helped having the same keeper all season in order that the defence could get an understanding with him. Carswell is a funny one. I rate him quite highly but it'll be interesting to see where he fits into McCall's thinking. On the face of it, we have a surplus of guys who can play central midfield. Lasley, Lawson, Leitch, Carswell, Law, Vigurs, even Craig Reid in an emergency. If you assume that Vigurs will play on the left, you're still looking at five players for two, maybe there positions. Unbalanced squad, or do we think Lawson may get moved on? And what is Leitch's contract situation? If Cummins is to be released, you'd figure that a new defender would be a priority, particularly given McCall's comments on releasing McFadden. Looking at the squad we have signed up just now... Nielsen Twarzik Kerr Ramsden McManus Hammell Murray (?) Lawson Carswell Vigurs Law Leitch (?) Angol Sutton Anier Erwin Moore McHugh Add Lasley, Reid and Ainsworth to that and it's not a bad squad. Maybe a defender and a winger short of what we'd like but given the financial reality, I could live with that squad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Met Keith bout 20 mins ago in Central station says he hopes to get things sorted in next few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... superward Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Murray and Leitch both in contract this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Noah Dosser Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Murray and Leitch both in contract this season. Leitch could be but almost certain Murray ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Judge Jules Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Just wondering if anyone on here would fancy signing up any of the Hibs rejects who were let go this afternoon ? James McPake Ben Williams Kevin Thomson Alan Maybury Tom Taiwo Paul Cairney I really rate the keeper Williams but i imagine he is out our wage bracket plus we've just signed Dan so that won't happen, but i don't think i would touch any of the others to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... rambunctious Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I think Williams is better than anyone we've got but we'll not be able sign him now. Everyone else is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Well Well Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hopefully See Lawson get some game time this year, will feel like a new signing when he gets on. Also, Anier getting the rest he needs to get rid of his shin splints problems and he will be fit and raring to go from the off. Can't wait to see Josh in action and Twarzik bringing some much needed composure to our defence. A lot of youth in that squad as well which bodes well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... milo Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Wouldn't touch any of those Hibs players. If Lasley and Ainsworth sign I'll be more than happy to go with what we have on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... chummy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... texanwellfan Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. I thought someone had said that a while back on here. I assume we will be offering him a new ocntract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... mfc88 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I thought someone had said that a while back on here. I assume we will be offering him a new ocntract. The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. I'd take Williams but we probably can't justify paying his wages with neilson on board too. I actually rate cairney too but don't see where would fit in to our team. Mcpake/ Thomson - bit of a gamble with their injuries. Taiwo/ maybury - nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... ropy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 1401120056[/url]' post='413259']Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. Hypothetical question, but if it was a choice between re-signing Leitch (one of our own) and Ainsworth (the only man for his position) where should our priorities be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... weeyin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. Aye, we really need to put players in a locked room and beat them up until they sign contracts. I thought contracts didn't expire until May 31 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... mfc88 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Aye, we really need to put players in a locked room and beat them up until they sign contracts. I thought contracts didn't expire until May 31 anyway. Or....focus on tieing down our key/ promising players before the end of the season? Every other team does it. Why can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Noah Dosser Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Or....focus on tieing down our key/ promising players before the end of the season? Every other team does it. Why can't we? This is a valid point. The problem is we have a budget which is strained to breaking point and I would wager my mortgage that the out of contract players are being offered deals which are less or the same money they have been on. Add in the deals will probably be on a yearly basis now for the younger guys and that may explain the lack of movement regarding Reid, Leitch and Murray. I know this will not sit well with the majority on here but the lack of sevco , and now Hivs n hertz , along with the potential of no sponsorship for the SPFL again due to it being unattractive commercially is putting the club in almost impossible situation vis a vis retaining or recruiting players. The likes of Mick, Hammy and hopefully Las are nearing the end of their careers and are, I would imagine, well enough off not to be too concerned about a wage rise or longer deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... MelvinBragg Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is really a concern for me. A couple of Celtic fans I know picked him out as our best player in the recent 3-3 draw. I know he's had a stop start career for someone so young but there really does seem real potential there and I'd hate to see him picked up by one of our rivals or worse still, his potential ruined at the hands of Levein or McCoist. Sign him up now. If we have money to offer McManus a two year deal, there surely is money there for Leitch. I'd go as far to say that it's pointless signing a 24 year old midfielder as we have done while not holding on to an 18 year old that has shown real promise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... underboyleheating Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I know this will not sit well with the majority on here but the lack of sevco , and now Hivs n hertz , along with the potential of no sponsorship for the SPFL again due to it being unattractive commercially is putting the club in almost impossible situation vis a vis retaining or recruiting players. On the flip side the Championship may benefit from having three of the best supported teams in Scotland now plying their trade in it. I have no doubt that ex pats from Hearts, Hibs and Sevco will be desperate to watch their respective teams fight it out for the title and that will gladly pay for the privilege. However, I can see Doncaster offering a football package to TV channels that will include both the Premiership and Championship games. I sincerely hope that we don’t sell ourselves too cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... weeyin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Have we not offered him a contract then? Given that McCall said the contract offers to the U20s were made a few weeks ago, I'd be surprised if Leitch was omitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... ONeils40yarder Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... steelman1991 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Hope to f..k its for 'flow's old job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Kmcalpin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. Not so straightforward as you might think. Possible scenario - until a month or two back he didn't look anything special - and we can't sign all of young lads on long contracts. He then breaks into the first team and we offer him a longer deal and he then stalls...... As Weeyin says we can't force them to sign. Maybe that's not the case at all but these decisions aren't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... StipeIsGod Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Oh fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 Next Page 33 of 184 This topic is now closed to further replies. Share More sharing options... Followers 2
superward Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Murray and Leitch both in contract this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Dosser Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Murray and Leitch both in contract this season. Leitch could be but almost certain Murray ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Jules Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Just wondering if anyone on here would fancy signing up any of the Hibs rejects who were let go this afternoon ? James McPake Ben Williams Kevin Thomson Alan Maybury Tom Taiwo Paul Cairney I really rate the keeper Williams but i imagine he is out our wage bracket plus we've just signed Dan so that won't happen, but i don't think i would touch any of the others to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambunctious Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I think Williams is better than anyone we've got but we'll not be able sign him now. Everyone else is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hopefully See Lawson get some game time this year, will feel like a new signing when he gets on. Also, Anier getting the rest he needs to get rid of his shin splints problems and he will be fit and raring to go from the off. Can't wait to see Josh in action and Twarzik bringing some much needed composure to our defence. A lot of youth in that squad as well which bodes well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Wouldn't touch any of those Hibs players. If Lasley and Ainsworth sign I'll be more than happy to go with what we have on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chummy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. I thought someone had said that a while back on here. I assume we will be offering him a new ocntract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I thought someone had said that a while back on here. I assume we will be offering him a new ocntract. The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. I'd take Williams but we probably can't justify paying his wages with neilson on board too. I actually rate cairney too but don't see where would fit in to our team. Mcpake/ Thomson - bit of a gamble with their injuries. Taiwo/ maybury - nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 1401120056[/url]' post='413259']Leitch is out of contract, was told today by a friend of his dads, strange one if true. Hypothetical question, but if it was a choice between re-signing Leitch (one of our own) and Ainsworth (the only man for his position) where should our priorities be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. Aye, we really need to put players in a locked room and beat them up until they sign contracts. I thought contracts didn't expire until May 31 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Aye, we really need to put players in a locked room and beat them up until they sign contracts. I thought contracts didn't expire until May 31 anyway. Or....focus on tieing down our key/ promising players before the end of the season? Every other team does it. Why can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Dosser Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Or....focus on tieing down our key/ promising players before the end of the season? Every other team does it. Why can't we? This is a valid point. The problem is we have a budget which is strained to breaking point and I would wager my mortgage that the out of contract players are being offered deals which are less or the same money they have been on. Add in the deals will probably be on a yearly basis now for the younger guys and that may explain the lack of movement regarding Reid, Leitch and Murray. I know this will not sit well with the majority on here but the lack of sevco , and now Hivs n hertz , along with the potential of no sponsorship for the SPFL again due to it being unattractive commercially is putting the club in almost impossible situation vis a vis retaining or recruiting players. The likes of Mick, Hammy and hopefully Las are nearing the end of their careers and are, I would imagine, well enough off not to be too concerned about a wage rise or longer deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Leitch is really a concern for me. A couple of Celtic fans I know picked him out as our best player in the recent 3-3 draw. I know he's had a stop start career for someone so young but there really does seem real potential there and I'd hate to see him picked up by one of our rivals or worse still, his potential ruined at the hands of Levein or McCoist. Sign him up now. If we have money to offer McManus a two year deal, there surely is money there for Leitch. I'd go as far to say that it's pointless signing a 24 year old midfielder as we have done while not holding on to an 18 year old that has shown real promise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I know this will not sit well with the majority on here but the lack of sevco , and now Hivs n hertz , along with the potential of no sponsorship for the SPFL again due to it being unattractive commercially is putting the club in almost impossible situation vis a vis retaining or recruiting players. On the flip side the Championship may benefit from having three of the best supported teams in Scotland now plying their trade in it. I have no doubt that ex pats from Hearts, Hibs and Sevco will be desperate to watch their respective teams fight it out for the title and that will gladly pay for the privilege. However, I can see Doncaster offering a football package to TV channels that will include both the Premiership and Championship games. I sincerely hope that we don’t sell ourselves too cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Have we not offered him a contract then? Given that McCall said the contract offers to the U20s were made a few weeks ago, I'd be surprised if Leitch was omitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Hope to f..k its for 'flow's old job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The question for me is why haven't we got him tied down already?? A fundamental problem with the running of our club. Not so straightforward as you might think. Possible scenario - until a month or two back he didn't look anything special - and we can't sign all of young lads on long contracts. He then breaks into the first team and we offer him a longer deal and he then stalls...... As Weeyin says we can't force them to sign. Maybe that's not the case at all but these decisions aren't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeIsGod Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Oh fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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