milo Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hope the McPake rumour is a lot if shite. We're absolutely skint and don't need another defender anyhoo! He's also murder! Plus, I'm hoping we might get Higdon back next season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake has been on the brink of retirement has he not? We need a young centre half that can read the game alongside McManus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Not so straightforward as you might think. Possiblek scenario - until a month or two back he didn't look anything special - and we can't sign all of young lads on long contracts. He then breaks into the first team and we offer him a longer deal and he then stalls...... As Weeyin says we can't force them to sign. Maybe that's not the case at all but these decisions aren't easy. Surely the skill is in identifying the talent at the right time. Coaches should be able to assess suitability for the first team in advance of them getting the opportunity. We're not talking about them all, from the little I've seen we should be looking at Murray, Thomas and Leitch playing it ever so slightly cagier on Erwin and the unlucky Moore. On the flip side we've perhaps been a bit to eager on McHugh & Cummins previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Surely the skill is in identifying the talent at the right time. Coaches should be able to assess suitability for the first team in advance of them getting the opportunity. We're not talking about them all, from the little I've seen we should be looking at Murray, Thomas and Leitch playing it ever so slightly cagier on Erwin and the unlucky Moore. On the flip side we've perhaps been a bit to eager on McHugh & Cummins previously. Agreed Steve. There is a knack to identifying young talent coming through the ranks and more often than not we get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake wouldn't be my first choice, but then again neither would Clancy, Ramsden, Reid have been. McCall generally gets it right. I remember people on here complaining about the signing of Sutton last year. It worked out alright. Again, the only concern is what it means for the likes of Murray and Kerr. We won't see our young players develop into sellable assets unless they get time on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake has been on the brink of retirement has he not? He's only 29 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake wouldn't be my first choice, but then again neither would Clancy, Ramsden, Reid have been. McCall generally gets it right. I remember people on here complaining about the signing of Sutton last year. It worked out alright. Again, the only concern is what it means for the likes of Murray and Kerr. We won't see our young players develop into sellable assets unless they get time on the field... I was one of those Melvin, I was dead against Sutton returning. I am glad McCall had more faith in Sutton than I did. I trust McCall now as he always seems to have the knack of picking the right player that fits his system. So I hope that giving Leitch some game time last season he has seen enough to reward him with a contract. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I was one of those Melvin, I was dead against Sutton returning. I am glad McCall had more faith in Sutton than I did. I trust McCall now as he always seems to have the knack of picking the right player that fits his system. So I hope that giving Leitch some game time last season he has seen enough to reward him with a contract. Time will tell Listen, we're all entitled to opinions. How many goals did Sutton score for Hearts? There were times last season when I looked at the starting lineup and thought McCall had got it wrong. Occasionally he does, but most of the time it becomes clear why we pay for our seats and he gets a free one in the dugout. That being said, it won't stop any of us voicing our opinions. Because that's what fans do. Not convinced about McPake but I'm happy to give McCall the chance to make me look stupid again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 He's only 29 years old. His back is goosed. Shame really as he was a really good prospect at Livingston. He was superb in his first 6 months at Hibs but then the injuries took their toll again. No sure he ever recovered from the night Higdon owned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Not so straightforward as you might think. Possible scenario - until a month or two back he didn't look anything special - and we can't sign all of young lads on long contracts. He then breaks into the first team and we offer him a longer deal and he then stalls...... As Weeyin says we can't force them to sign. Maybe that's not the case at all but these decisions aren't easy. I was making a generalisation about, what seems to be, our contract policy. Just using leitch as an example - he clearly has the ability and character to make it in the SPL so we should be protecting ourselves here. Another one is vigurs, he has a year to run, has turned into a top player for us but I'll wager he won't get offered anything till the end of next season. Then you look at Dundee utd, all their promising youngsters are protected with another 2/3/4 years. Or st johnstone, as soon as Stevie may started banging in the goals at the start of the season, they sort him out with a years extension. We are supposed to be a selling club, its our business model, but we can't make decent money off anyone if they can be poached for nothing or bought on the cheap in a few months. And we should be protecting ourselves against having to rebuild every year or so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 He was superb in his first 6 months at Hibs but then the injuries took their toll again. No sure he ever recovered from the night Higdon owned him. Funny, whenever I think of McPake, that's the night I think of. Fact we lost our two first choice midfielders in the first half of that game and still won said something about the quality and character of both teams. Give McPake his due, he was outclassed but one of the few Hibs players that didn't give up that night. Clearly the warning signs were there for Hibs that night but weren't heeded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chummy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Heard tonight that we're in talks with McPake..... Nooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Jules Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake no thanks. Let some other poor premier league club pay for his medical treatment while he sits in the stand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 McPake was a stand out at Livi and, in a spiritless Hibs team, he was one of the few who showed any stomach for the battle and who never gave up. Many of the Hibs players looked to him as a leader on and off the park. Something that we are sadly lacking when games are not going as planned. Perhaps if he had not fallen foul of Butcher and had been given the chance to play towards the end of the season then Hibs might have had the drive and leadership to avoid relegation. Butcher says that McPake did not play more games after Christmas because of injury, but McPake insists he was fit enough (and eager) to play. I accept that McPake is not the most cultured of players. But, if Hutch leaves as expected, we could do worse. As for being finished due to injury, the same thing was said about the almost ever present McManus. It's up to our medical staff to assess him and advise McCall. Kerr is fair enough as a utility player to have available as cover and Murray has potential but neither in my opinion is ready to fill a central defender role on a day to day basis. A back four of Ramsden, McPake, McManus and Hammell would not be too shabby. If it's true that we are speaking to McPake it suggests that Hutch has told McCall he is off. Hopefully the other out of contract players let it be known soon what their intentions are so that Mccall can spend our very limited budget where it's most needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 If it's true that we are speaking to McPake it suggests that Hutch has told McCall he is off. Hopefully the other out of contract players let it be known soon what their intentions are so that Mccall can spend our very limited budget where it's most needed. Would not touch McPake with the proverbial barge pole. I'd take Clancy, who has been released by St.Johnstone, back before McPake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Think Clancy has a serious injury that will keep him out for a good few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Being 'up for it' is such an overrated quality in a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Don't need McPake. Already have McManus, Hammell, Ramsden, Kerr , cummins, Murray, and maybe Reid!!! I thought we were skint?!?! If Ainsworth doesn't sign we need someone who can play there also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davkel Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 If Ainsworth doesn't sign we need someone who can play there also. Heard he is / was looking for £2000 a week to stay ...you can forget him then !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemfc7 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Heard he is / was looking for £2000 a week to stay ...you can forget him then !! We are paying gunner more than that .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 We are paying gunner more than that .... Aye, I'd take him for that. 2k a week is within our wage structure from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I thought we were skint?!?! We are indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 We are paying gunner more than that .... How much we paying him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 We are paying gunner more than that .... Obviously not performance related then. That would suggest he is/would be going no-where with a year left on his contract... Can you see any other club willing to take him on. His penalty save against Celtic was fantastic and he was OK in his last few games, but......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Just because somebody says something on the internet, doesn't make it so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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