El Grew Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Undoubtedly football is a results driven business and when results don't go right it's the manager that pays the price with his job. Results this season have certainly not been what everyone would have hoped for including the manager however what about some of the twats that have been masquerading as footballers? This so called player power is a disgrace and we have seen it here before when a few senior players took the hump with Jim Gannon. It's high time our CEO went into our dressing room and laid it on the line to this lot that it's some of them that should be getting the sack. The players that Barraclough brought in should be utterly ashamed of themselves if they have played any part in the dressing room cabal. I wish Ian Barraclough all the very best for the future and would like to thank him for giving us two of the best results we have ever had against the Rangers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Yeah agree stats are huge in sports, especially American but then again in the US Big 3 the chances of a draw are almost 0. It's easier to do a win ratio when the result is 99% of the time a win or loss. None of these pesky draws. When grading a manager I think Points Won Points Won % Loss Percentage Are better overall indicators although goal differentual could be a little harsh in the end. Your wish is my command! Points won - 32 for 90 Points % - 35% Loss Percentage - 53% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 We keep referring back to the Gannon era and 'player power' etc...only Hammell and Lasley were there at the time and are still here now. Yet, it is the former old firm duo of Skippy and McManus who seem to be getting pointed at here. As ever fans favourite Lasley gets off with little said..... A lot of people on here clearly have a problem with ex old firm players playing for us and do not give them as much of a chance...it is very predictable. If Pearson had not been injured and out the picture he would be in the group that 'got the manager sacked' as well no doubt as he fits the bill - ex old firm, friends with McManus and Skippy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 We keep referring back to the Gannon era and 'player power' etc...only Hammell and Lasley were there at the time and are still here now. Yet, it is the former old firm duo of Skippy and McManus who seem to be getting pointed at here. As ever fans favourite Lasley gets off with little said..... A lot of people on here clearly have a problem with ex old firm players playing for us and do not give them as much of a chance...it is very predictable. If Pearson had not been injured and out the picture he would be in the group that 'got the manager sacked' as well no doubt as he fits the bill - ex old firm, friends with McManus and Skippy. To be fair, probably the reason Lasley hasn't been mentioned as much is that on the face of it, he's been giving it his all this season irrespective of what he thinks of the manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 To be fair, probably the reason Lasley hasn't been mentioned as much is that on the face of it, he's been giving it his all this season irrespective of what he thinks of the manager... No less or more so than McDonald and McManus in my eyes. I dont think the latter have been any good but I wouldnt say it is due to lack of trying...they have just been fairly pish. If McManus was partly behind this supposed 'player power' to get the manager shifted...would he have been captain last night? I don't think so. I genuinely do think there was some disgruntled players with the way the season was going and maybe the way we were training and setting up in games. I also think it is more likely the experienced senior players would speak out (who happen to be Las, Hammell, Skippy, McManus). That has happened countless times. But an orchestrated coup to get the manager sacked.....I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 No less or more so than McDonald and McManus in my eyes. I dont think the latter have been any good but I wouldnt say it is due to lack of trying...they have just been fairly pish. If McManus was partly behind this supposed 'player power' to get the manager shifted...would he have been captain last night? I don't think so. I genuinely do think there was some disgruntled players with the way the season was going and maybe the way we were training and setting up in games. I also think it is more likely the experienced senior players would speak out (who happen to be Las, Hammell, Skippy, McManus). That has happened countless times. But an orchestrated coup to get the manager sacked.....I think not. Sorry but that is beyond deluded, Mcmanus regularly couldn't even be arsed swinging his leg to make a ball move 20yds to his side. its been noticed by many, his outstanding performance in the play offs were a keen reminder of his capability. Lasley has many flaws but lack of effort ?, even his biggest detractor, Kmcalpin, would not throw that at him, Hell if anything Lasleys biggest flaw is him trying to be involved in everything and leaving his own post I got reall issues with McManus contribution since his signing, young lads have been covering for him more regular than anything he has given to them, early last season I think I read someone posting he is the biggest dissapointment in many a decade, I agree. McDonald is a strange one, no where near fit 8 weeks ago, ( we need to learn that its unacceptable to be paying these players for having a longer stretch off, over others back in training) but his game time was also wasted due to positional selection, his contribution dropped way beyond his lack of fitness, was turning in shifts that should have had him suspended without pay, I was delighted Bara had the baws to drop him I think Baracloughs biggest failing was sticking with McManus through every failed experiment. so back on point , to claim Lasley showed similar effort to these two is just crazy talk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Sorry but that is beyond deluded, Mcmanus regularly couldn't even be arsed swinging his leg to make a ball move 20yds to his side. its been noticed by many, his outstanding performance in the play offs were a keen reminder of his capability. Lasley has many flaws but lack of effort is something even his biggest detractor, Kmcalpin, would throw at him, Hell if anything Lasleys biggest flaw is him trying to be involved in everything and leaving his post I got reall issues with McManus contribution since his signing, young lads have been covering for him more regular than anythign he has given them, early last season I think I read someone posting he is the biggest dissapointment in many a decade, I agree. McDonald is a strange one, no where near fit 8 weeks ago, ( we need to learn that its unacceptable to be paying these players for having a longer stretch off over other back in training) but his game time was also wasted due to positional selection, his contribution dropped way beyond his lack of fitness, was turnign in shifts that should have had him suspended without pay, I was delighted Bara had the baws to drop him. so back on point , to claim Lasley showed similar effort to these two is just crazy talk Lasleys effort can never be called in to question. His ability however.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dossertillidie Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 To suggest Lasley and Hammell were involve in some sort of player power movement is utter garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swami Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Some amount of guesswork, conjecture and bullshit in here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Some amount of guesswork, conjecture and bullshit in here. Amen sister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Sorry but that is beyond deluded, Mcmanus regularly couldn't even be arsed swinging his leg to make a ball move 20yds to his side. its been noticed by many, his outstanding performance in the play offs were a keen reminder of his capability. Lasley has many flaws but lack of effort ?, even his biggest detractor, Kmcalpin, would not throw that at him, Hell if anything Lasleys biggest flaw is him trying to be involved in everything and leaving his own post I got reall issues with McManus contribution since his signing, young lads have been covering for him more regular than anything he has given to them, early last season I think I read someone posting he is the biggest dissapointment in many a decade, I agree. McDonald is a strange one, no where near fit 8 weeks ago, ( we need to learn that its unacceptable to be paying these players for having a longer stretch off, over others back in training) but his game time was also wasted due to positional selection, his contribution dropped way beyond his lack of fitness, was turning in shifts that should have had him suspended without pay, I was delighted Bara had the baws to drop him I think Baracloughs biggest failing was sticking with McManus through every failed experiment. so back on point , to claim Lasley showed similar effort to these two is just crazy talk Need to agree to disagree on that one then. Where you see a lack of effort.....I see a lack of a good, confident footballers who are then making bad decisions. That's all 3 of them by the way. I never said Lasley lacked effort, but I do think it's more or less the same effort as Skippy and McManus. Where we are disagreeing is you are saying McManus isn't trying and therefore inferring I am saying Lasley isn't trying... For me, countless times have seen Skippy back at his own byline defending, also countless times have seen McManus out of position trying to mop up mistakes from the shitey left backs we have had as well as mopping up for centre midfield who are still up the park trying to get back in to defend. Lasley also up and down and the pitch out of position trying to cover for others too. So, my point is that they are all putting effort in but in general are making shitey choices and playing bad football (for varying reasons). I would not disagree that McManus has been disappointing but I don't think it is down to effort. I'd say the only player who has showed 100% true 'effort' is Louis Moult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 You think so? I think he was fighting a losing battle with a lot of our support from day one for some reason. Not sure if it's because he was chosen over 'Well legend MVG or what, but he certainly wasn't embraced as other managers have been by the support. Wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's more than happy to see the back of us as well to be fair. I wish folk could explain to me why MVG was a legend. The guy scored a screamer against Dunfermline to save our bacon but other than that his tenure at Motherwell falls into the easily forgettable category. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Les' comments are interesting. By the sounds of it, it wasn't the likes of Las, McManus etc who were in the middle of whatever scuffle happened last night. Las all but confirmed that things got physical too. Not that it really matters, but I wonder who it was. Either way, it sounds as though the players were as unhappy as we were. Hoping for a reaction on Sat. Was probably Leitch all he ever feckin does is flap his arms about and point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I wish folk could explain to me why MVG was a legend. The guy scored a screamer against Dunfermline to save our bacon but other than that his tenure at Motherwell falls into the easily forgettable category. I agree with that and have always held the opinion that he was never as good as the amount of money that Ginger McTwat paid for him. That goal seems to have tinted a lot of people's specs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 After last nights result I'm not surprised Baraclough left for me he did stop the rot and did his best and there were signs of improvement but not enough and at the end of the day we were stuck at the same level as Rangers and the team is a lot better than that onwards and upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Because Lasley runs about like a fanny on the park doesn't mean he can't be a disruptive influence off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolhandluc Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Some of the comments behind Bara's sacking http://sport.bt.com/sport-football/news/motherwell-part-ways-with-manager-ian-baraclough-S11364006676751 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That articles states it's Robinson and a player who had exchanges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That article was written by someone/anyone who listened to sportsound tonight. The quotes are directly from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That articles states it's Robinson and a player who had exchanges.Ainsworth rumours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Steve Robinson is a passionate wee character in the dugout so that wouldn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That articles states it's Robinson and a player who had exchanges. If it was Robinson at the centre of the bust up you gotta ask what is gained by keeping him on as Craigans sidekick in the interim. Hardly conducive to ongoing team harmony which makes me think he wasnt at the centre of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I agree with that and have always held the opinion that he was never as good as the amount of money that Ginger McTwat paid for him. That goal seems to have tinted a lot of people's specs. Rubbish. He was absolutely superb when he got a run of injury free games. Much more to him than 'that goal'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 There's no doubt it went mental after last nights defeat,I few things have obviously been simmering.bob maskant is in Scotland for a few days get yer coins out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Rubbish. He was absolutely superb when he got a run of injury free games. Much more to him than 'that goal'. Dominant in the air for us and a pretty good captain, too. Also, lovely head of hair. One of the better centre halves we've had, I'd suggest. First season was a damp squib, though, with the injury and I think that has coloured a lot of folk's opinions of him given we paid over 400 grand for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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