Kmac Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Given that Baraclough has spent virtually all close-season saying that the likes of Dom Thomas will get a chance then I've no reason to doubt him. In answer to your question though, Thomas will develop by moving on from 10 - 15 min cameos to getting 25 - 30 min stints in games and depending on how he fares you might see him start with some regularity after that, rotating with Ainsworth more than likely. Chucking him in away from home in the opening game of the season against a physical side isn't going to help him develop all it does is heap expectation on him. As Melvin says above, if we were at home vs Hamilton or Thistle on Saturday I'm pretty sure he'd have been in with a shout. Similarly in the case of Chalmers being played out of position? He's indicated he can play at centre half and left midfield as well as his preferred left back. Going out on a limb I'd suggest the reason that he'd be playing there in the pre-season games was to see if he was reasonably comfortable there. We know he can play left back, that's the position we signed him for after all. Horses for courses and that. Personally, I dont think we are doing ourselves any favours by having Thomas playing only 15-20 minutes in games for another half/ three-quarters of a season. The boy is 19 going on 20 and if he is going to go far in the game then we should be looking for him to have a positive impact this season and be looking to establish himself as a first team player next season, when he will be 21. It might sound harsh however if we are going to operate as a commercial entity, we should be ensuring that we create players able to withstand game pressure and perform - giving them sell on value. I don't believe that we are doing ourselves or Thomas any favours if we see him as only a bit part player for another season and a half. I'm sure the club will be well aware that we will get mximum sell-on value when he is around the age of 23/24 at a club like Motherwell. It's important that we create as rounded a player by that point as possible - that isnt always achieved by wrapping people in cotton wool. I'm not suggesting Bara will treat him like that, more suggesting that I think you are doing Thomas and other young players like him a slight injustice by eeking out appearance minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 We need a more rugged player in there vs a physical side away from home in order to help take something from the game. Think it's as simple as that. If we are chasing the game near the end then I have no doubt we'll see Thomas on. Sometimes people read too much into things, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Personally, I dont think we are doing ourselves any favours by having Thomas playing only 15-20 minutes in games for another half/ three-quarters of a season. The boy is 19 going on 20 and if he is going to go far in the game then we should be looking for him to have a positive impact this season and be looking to establish himself as a first team player next season, when he will be 21. It might sound harsh however if we are going to operate as a commercial entity, we should be ensuring that we create players able to withstand game pressure and perform - giving them sell on value. I don't believe that we are doing ourselves or Thomas any favours if we see him as only a bit part player for another season and a half. I'm sure the club will be well aware that we will get mximum sell-on value when he is around the age of 23/24 at a club like Motherwell. It's important that we create as rounded a player by that point as possible - that isnt always achieved by wrapping people in cotton wool. I'm not suggesting Bara will treat him like that, more suggesting that I think you are doing Thomas and other young players like him a slight injustice by eeking out appearance minutes. I think you're mis-interpreting what I'm saying. Or maybe not, who knows. I'm not saying we'll treat Dom Thomas or any of the other young players as bit part players. What I'm saying is that just because they're not getting chucked in to the team for the first game of the season away to Inverness doesn't preclude them from having significant involvement over the course of the season, the best way for them to develop is to be integrated into the team and justify their selection as starters. Similarly, starting with Chalmers on the left of midfield away from home if the manager feels that tactically speaking he needs more physicality in a specific game then I'm fine with that. Absolutely none of what I posted is a slight on any of the younger players. It's simply an acknowledgement that we're looking at running a smaller squad over the course of a season and we'll see those young players being rotated and given game time in appropriate games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 McGinn to Hibs seemingly a done deal. At a time where we're open to modest transfer fees, I wonder if we expressed an interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The point I think that was being made there was that in your original post, Dave, you suggested we hadn't done anything to address the issue of an aging left back. As you admit in this post, we have attempted to do so with the signing of Chalmers... I don't see Joe Chalmers displacing Stevie Hammell straight away, although I might be totally wrong in that assumption. I would expect he'll fill in at LB from time to time to see if he'll make the grade and take over in time. He might make it and he might not. The impression I have is that he won't be our first choice LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't see Joe Chalmers displacing Stevie Hammell straight away, although I might be totally wrong in that assumption. I would expect he'll fill in at LB from time to time to see if he'll make the grade and take over in time. He might make it and he might not. The impression I have is that he won't be our first choice LB. Not this season. Next season? Possibly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Maybe not replacing on form, but we can't afford lack of cover there like last season if Hammell is injured even short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 McGinn to Hibs seemingly a done deal. At a time where we're open to modest transfer fees, I wonder if we expressed an interest. Thought I read 200k, which is probably 5 times what we have paid recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 St Pats apparently knocked back a Motherwell bid for Greg Bolger. Tweet links to statement from the man himself: https://twitter.com/seidodge/status/626761637622628352 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I hope that means will get him for free at the end of the Irish season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Craig Moore out to Ayr on loan. https://twitter.com/AyrUnitedFC/status/626761629766529024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmac Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Craig Moore out to Ayr on loan. https://twitter.com/AyrUnitedFC/status/626761629766529024 Good choice by the club. Jury is out on Moore at the moment and would be 5th choice striker at fir park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/ireland/2015/07/30/14020352/st-patricks-athletic-reject-motherwell-bid-for-greg-bolger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If he's making public statements about being that unhappy, maybe they'll release him early by mutual consent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This usually ends with the player moving, and is either a tactic to push along the deal in question or alert other clubs that something could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good luck to Moore. He needs a right good run of games to try and reignite his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Craig Moore out to Ayr on loan. https://twitter.com/AyrUnitedFC/status/626761629766529024 l'll let you know how he gets on cos I'll be at the Ayr game on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 l'll let you know how he gets on cos I'll be at the Ayr game on Saturday. He's suspended following the play-off game I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWeegieDosser Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good choice by the club. Jury is out on Moore at the moment and would be 5th choice striker at fir park He's only 5 th choice because we haven't got 6 strikers, sad he got injured when he did but he's better off elsewhere to see if he's on a position to regain form and fitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 On the Bolger KB. From reading his statement it'd seem from his wording ("yes, there was a bid on the table from Motherwell") that this would have been another deal where we'd have been paying a (presumably small) fee. Suggests there's still some budget kicking about for us to move onto an alternate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Irish league finishes in October so we might be able to get him on a pre contract fairly soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingu Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Said it before but get his mate to the left of the pic, Chris Forrester, signed up. Cracking player - an athletic midfield playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good move for Moore, chances would definetly be limited this season I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 McGinn to Hibs seemingly a done deal. At a time where we're open to modest transfer fees, I wonder if we expressed an interest. And, of course "definitely not replacing Scott Allan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 And, of course "definitely not replacing Scott Allan". Certainly not a Rangers bound Allan. If he does depart elsewhere, McGeough would be his natural replacement, who again will incur a similar transfer fee to McGinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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