Yabba's Turd Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 This could be a bumfight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 4-0, fuck knows who to, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Aye utter shitefest with 6 sclaffs could be 5-1, could be 3-3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 A must win game for us no if and no buts. I'd like to see Watt start at right back and I'd be tempted to go with Thomas and Ainsworth unless and until we take a 2 goal lead in which case Johnson is the man. We're desperately poor in the middle and unfortunately I can't think of any realistic alternatives to Lasley and Leitch. Cadden may be worth looking at but right now he lacks experience and its unfair to put too much pressure on his shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 5-1 Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 This is a bit of a mishmash of thoughts on last night's performance and how we can apply them to Saturday, so apologies: Â I really, really hope Baraclough learns from last night in respect to how we go about Saturday. Chatting in the car on the way home, he seems to want to shoehorn in (what he thinks is, anyway) his best 11 into the formation he wants to play. Just because it worked twice against Rangers doesn't mean it's going to work against every team we play; I hope tonight gave him the scare he needed. He certainly went ripping through the players at full time just before ET started. My biggest problem with this selection process is that we don't really have enough players on the bench capable of coming on and changing a game in our favour (Dom Thomas' performance last night aside). Â Josh Law shouldn't be anywhere near our team on Saturday (or for the rest of season, if my wish comes true); East Fife recognised he was the weak link in our back 4 and had 3 players marking him waiting on a mistake. Every meaningful attack came from him conceding possession or being caught too far up the park and not tracking back. Luke Watt looks far more assured and reminds me of Paul Quinn in his early days. Certainly had more dig about him than Law; time and time again Law half heartedly tried to win the ball and his leg bounced off the opposing player's. Simply not good enough. Â I'd potentially start Kennedy again; question is instead of who? Kennedy looks to read the game well and has some pace and ability to bring the ball out from the back and find a good pass through the midfield. Â I thought Laing was great in the air last night but was caught out with the ball at his feet a few times (after having won it back) and with their number 9 driving at him he was turned inside out a few times to the point he nearly lost the plot. You can see the potential he has; he reminds me of Hutchy when he first came in, raw and talented, just needing to use his brain a bit more and clear his lines one or two touches earlier. Not every ball he plays from defence has to be a through ball for a winger. Sometimes row Z or a booming clearance down the pitch is what's required. Â Dom Thomas showed more in his first 10 minutes on the pitch than Johnson did in the entire first half, so I'd say Marvin needs a spell on the bench and the chance to come on and prove with 20/25 minutes to go he can make an impact and change a game or put it out of the opposition's reach. He's certainly a rough diamond that needs nurturing and developing. He also looks to have lost some pace; not sure if the injury he picked up in pre-season is still causing him some problems. Â With Taylor suspended we'll have to go for Lasley and Leitch in the middle, which is fine (contrary to quite a few other posters, I think Leitch had a decent game at points last night; just not consistently over the whole match and some of that was down to having to cover for other players' mistakes; Ainsworth and Johnson being particularly wasteful with 5 yard passes and stupid back heels causing us all sorts of problems). Â McDonald needs to be in support of Moult and playing little 1-2s with him. That substitution and formation changed Moult's performance completely and he started to look a lot more assured with help around him. Â Also, long balls from the keeper over the top to wingers and a striker with no support around him; no, just no. We scored 3 goals from playing good, passing football in attack. Back to that and forget the long ball routine, please. Too easy an option to just keep lumping it from the keeper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superwell87 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 3-1 to somebody. The game could go either way, with nothing set in stone for either team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Not every ball he plays from defence has to be a through ball for a winger. Sometimes row Z or a booming clearance down the pitch is what's required. Â I miss Joe Carson, sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Must win and even if we do I won't be convinced this season will be anything other than a dogfight to survive. Certainly if Barraclough stays in post. Â Players have to take responsibilty but ultimately the manager carries the can. Â Surely Thomas and Watt will start?!?! Â 2-1 Killie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWeegieDosser Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Is Marvin carrying some sort of after effects of an injury or something Shows the odd burst of pace, but looks laboured most of the time. I wouldn't start him v Killie, give Thomas a run out instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWeegieDosser Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Â I miss Joe Carson, sometimes. Just had a flashback Gordon "Soapy" Soutar Now there was a combative midfield presence, built like a double wardrobe- a proper enforcer In the Graeme "psycho" Forbes mould Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Sink or swim time for Baraclough. He is on the cusp of losing the majority of the fans after last night's debacle, should he lose this one, it would make his position untenable imo. Thomas and Watt must start, McDonald has to start closer to Moult as they seemed to have a bit of an understanding. Probably due to Moult's immense work rate and Skippy's quality. If Law is down to start, I would sack him before K.O he is that poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 From reading what the vast majority of people are saying form last night it has to be:  Ripley Watt Kennedy McManus/Laing Chalmers Ainsworth Leitch Lasley Thomas Skippy Moult  Only concern with the above is the back 4 has been went through major change since last weekend. (Assuming Hammell is out). Does that make it better than what we had or more likely to concede goals due to confusion/misunderstanding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJohn Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Â I really, really hope Baraclough learns from last night in respect to how we go about Saturday. Chatting in the car on the way home, he seems to want to shoehorn in (what he thinks is, anyway) his best 11 into the formation he wants to play. Just because it worked twice against Rangers doesn't mean it's going to work against every team we play; I hope tonight gave him the scare it needed. He certainly went ripping through the players at full time just before ET started. My biggest problem with this selection process is that we don't really have enough players on the bench capable of coming on and changing a game in our favour (Dom Thomas' performance last night aside. Brilliant analysis. This is the most frustrating thing about this season. We undoubtedly have the players for a top 6 finish - however we haven't applied the system for the. To flourish. 4-4-2 with two out and out wingers isn't working. Â I think it can work, maybe away from home against a better team (ala ibrox last season) or when the opposition is coming at us (playoff 2nd leg). That being said - the one thing we do need for that to really work well is a combative, athletic midfielder like Pearo. That's why what we've been trying to hasn't worked since ICT away. Â Baraclough needs to show more tactical flexibility and also some balls to drop current under performers such as Marvin and Skippy. Â I think a 4-3-3 which can change into a 4-5-1 when we're defending would work well with the players we have. If you think that's daft, Bear in mind I won Boys Brigade 5 a side coach of the week twice a few years ago so I'm well educated In the efficacy of tactical systems ;-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Im away to Gran Canaria on Saturday morning, I don't care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ripley  Watt Kennedy McManus Chalmers  Ainsworth Lasley Leitch Taylor Thomas  Skippy  Harsh on Moult who has done nothing wrong but we need to get a grip of midfield to allow Ainsworth and Thomas room to play. Marv needs time on the bench to re evaluate his desire and ability to play for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in motherwell Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'd probably keep Moult in all honesty, and Taylor is suspended. Probably go with:  Ripley  Watt Laing McManus Chalmers  Ainsworth Leitch Lasley Thomas  Skippy Moult  With Thomas pushing forward slightly more/Skippy dropping back as required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ripley  Watt Kennedy McManus Chalmers  Ainsworth Lasley Leitch Taylor Thomas  Skippy  Harsh on Moult who has done nothing wrong but we need to get a grip of midfield to allow Ainsworth and Thomas room to play. Marv needs time on the bench to re evaluate his desire and ability to play for the team.  Taylor's suspended, is he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ripley Watt Kennedy McManus Chalmers  Thomas Leitch Lasley Ainsworth  McDonald Moult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWeegieDosser Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ripley Watt Kennedy McManus Chalmers  Thomas Leitch Lasley Ainsworth  McDonald Moult Works for me Only other thought is maybe Clubber might be worth starting up against Kris Boyd, he did fine in the 6-1 . Kennedy at right back instead of Watt, on the basis Watt may not be back to full fitness Moult an absolute stick- on, mystified why so many people have an apparent aversion to a guy with a prodigious work rate, an ability to finish calmly , and who tries to bring others into play- I mean , why would we want that ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Â Taylor's suspended, is he not? Yeh. Forgot about that. Probably rules that formation out unless he plays skippy in midfield and Moult up front. Dont think he would risk Cadden when we are struggling for form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Works for me Only other thought is maybe Clubber might be worth starting up against Kris Boyd, he did fine in the 6-1 . Kennedy at right back instead of Watt, on the basis Watt may not be back to full fitness Moult an absolute stick- on, mystified why so many people have an apparent aversion to a guy with a prodigious work rate, an ability to finish calmly , and who tries to bring others into play- I mean , why would we want that ?? I certainly dont have an aversion to Moult. Just think we need to go with an extra midfielder to try and get a grip of things and protect the defence better. Think Skippy is better suited to run channels and bring others into play. I wouldnt argue about any of your observations on Moult. He was my MoM v Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Brilliant analysis. This is the most frustrating thing about this season. We undoubtedly have the players for a top 6 finish - however we haven't applied the system for the. To flourish. 4-4-2 with two out and out wingers isn't working. Â Most teams in the league play 4-2-3-1 most weeks. And most teams play two attacking wide players (McGinn/Hayes or O'Halloran/Wotherspoon or Spittal/Erskine or Amoo/Lawless or McGowan/Stewart etc. etc.). Â I've seen us twice this season and the first time we played 4-2-3-1 and everyone complained that McDonald wasn't close enough to the striker. Second time I saw us we played more of a 4-4-2 with McDonald further forward and Aberdeen dominated the midfield with an extra man until they withdrew Willo Flood. Â I don't really see the formation as a big problem to be honest as long as we play something along the lines of 4-2-3-1 and match up against other teams. Doesn't matter what the formation is if you can't defend or pass, don't make chances or finish and play far too much long ball and that's our problem so far this term. Â And in terms of personnel I think Johnson and Ainsworth (or Thomas) should be able to be accommodated into the system provided they are in form and doing a job. I also think McDonald can play the behind the striker role. Our weak areas are right back and the position left vacant by Pearson's injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Who the f...k is 'Clubber' lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Clubber Laing, like Clubber Lang from Rocky III Horrific patter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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