Spiderpig Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 After the dross we had to suffer last season under McCann the club had to change IB was brought in, signed a few players and we eventually got it right in the play offs against Rangers. At that point I was optimistic of a good season ahead, the club was being restructured, we had new financial investment to bring in players and the squad seemed to be improving. Now however 8 games in to the season, out of the league cup to a lower league team and looking like we are heading for another relegation fight that optimism has faded fast. It's looking like the decision to appoint IB was ill advised he looks out of his depth he has been given money to spend but he has not used it wisely. There are also ongoing questions and doubts over the Well society and the exact nature of the deal with Les Hutchison. So it begs the question are the people running the club up to the job as well, they are the ones who ultimately sanction the cash for IB to sign players ? We seem to now have a squad of players in which a large number are taking wages and contributing nothing, Taylor, Clarkson, Robinson, etc. I would like to see the club reducing the squad, quality not quantity, getting a manager in to motivate and get the best from the team and develop our own talent, that's the way forward. But at this point I have doubts that the people running the club are up to it we are off track and it needs corrected asap. Thoughts and opinions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 The only direction we are heading is towards the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 After the dross we had to suffer last season under McCann the club had to change IB was brought in, signed a few players and we eventually got it right in the play offs against Rangers. At that point I was optimistic of a good season ahead, the club was being restructured, we had new financial investment to bring in players and the squad seemed to be improving. Now however 8 games in to the season, out of the league cup to a lower league team and looking like we are heading for another relegation fight that optimism has faded fast. It's looking like the decision to appoint IB was ill advised he looks out of his depth he has been given money to spend but he has not used it wisely. There are also ongoing questions and doubts over the Well society and the exact nature of the deal with Les Hutchison. So it begs the question are the people running the club up to the job as well, they are the ones who ultimately sanction the cash for IB to sign players ? We seem to now have a squad of players in which a large number are taking wages and contributing nothing, Taylor, Clarkson, Robinson, etc. I would like to see the club reducing the squad, quality not quantity, getting a manager in to motivate and get the best from the team and develop our own talent, that's the way forward. But at this point I have doubts that the people running the club are up to it we are off track and it needs corrected asap. Thoughts and opinions please. Who the f..k is McCann - so it was him to blame was it? Sorry I know who you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Who the f..k is McCann - so it was him to blame was it? Sorry I know who you meant. New phone...dodgy predictive text, that said we would be better off if wee Fergus was running the club ☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmostFrazzled Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 No. Next question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 We might be getting a bit more professional off the park but on the park (where it matters most) we are a shambles. Loads of chat around utilising our youth set up and the importance of developing them into assets has been a load of complete bullshit. We are continually overlooking the youth and opting for mediocre players like Taylor. If we don't go down this season then with Rangers and possibly Hibs coming up then we will be down the following season. The idea of The 'Well Society is almost dead in the water. We are going to be dropping like a stone down the leagues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 We might be getting a bit more professional off the park but on the park (where it matters most) we are a shambles. Loads of chat around utilising our youth set up and the importance of developing them into assets has been a load of complete bullshit. We are continually overlooking the youth and opting for mediocre players like Taylor. Hard to say Mitch. For a new manager to utilise a youth set up quickly he has to depend on the achievement of previous incumbents. IF he doesn't rate the youngsters he's been bequeathed or there are individual issues what does he do? Of the current crop, Thomas is not ready to start in my view and he is being used sparingly; Leitch won't make it but is being used sparingly; Luke Watt - something not right? Stephen Cadden - I genuinely don't know. I doubt if there are any others ready to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 To answer your question, yes I think we are moving in a generally positive direction - albeit off the park. Where the problem lies, is all that good work is being dragged down by Baraclough and our on field problems. The board/GM have backed him, it's back-fired and now they need to act. The squad size with numerous player in positions and seemingly wasting wages, the playing style, the lack of trust in youth as per the philosophy of the new board and the tactical approach can all be laid at Baraclough's door. Yes, the board should have rained him in a bit, but I put that down to inexperience of running a football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 As I understand it, the money Les Hutchison is putting in is all as loans, which have to be repaid by the 'well society or whoever takes over. I was quite impressed with his ideas for sorting out the off the park stuff, and cautiously optimistic about his "speculate to accumulate" philosophy. However, I'm starting to get a worry that given the size of squad with another cup run finished prematurely that we are just racking up a bigger and bigger tab. Marvin Johnson was a shining beacon of how this new system would work, but actually he's had 2 good games and the odd flash otherwise, he's not going to go for a million pounds. What happens if we clock up a huge debt to Les and the 'well society can't pay it back? At the moment that seems a fairly realistic scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 What happens if we clock up a huge debt to Les and the 'well society can't pay it back? I've thought about this a lot recently... Think Les could potential back himself into a corner. Loans more and more, speculating to accumulate, and the society struggle to get the numbers to pay him back so he decides to sell the club. But with him owed £3m, no one wants to pay it and he is stuck with limited options: 1. Sell Fir Park under the noses of the club to Tesco, etc to get his money back and gift the club to the fans. 2. Stay owner, start cutting cloth accordingly. 3. Sell the club for a significant loss to a third party. 4. Gift it to 'Well Society anyway. Only the 1st option is a disaster for the club - and think he'd be a very brave man to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Only the 1st option is a disaster for the club - and think he'd be a very brave man to do that. If tried to do a bit of research into him, and he does seem to be a genuine philanthropist. He's involved with university of west of Scotland and another project I can't remember the name of. Seems to be wanting to give something back to the community he came from. So I can't see him racking up a debt to himself so he can sell the ground from underneath us or anything like that. I'd started worrying he was another Craig Whyte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 The idea of The 'Well Society is almost dead in the water. We are going to be dropping like a stone down the leagues! Said this a year ago. defo the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Posted some debt info in the well society thread for those interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotts Well Fan Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 to answer the topic question -------It is Now.........hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 There is no doubt that we are struggling and McGhee’s recent run of results is starting look as bad as Baraclough’s tenure. I sense that there is something not right in the background at Fir Park and it is starting to effect our performances on the park. If we don’t fix it soon, I fear at best we will be heading for another play-off against Rangers or Hibs to secure our premiership status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something else Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 There is no doubt that we are struggling and McGhees recent run of results is starting look as bad as Baracloughs tenure. I sense that there is something not right in the background at Fir Park and it is starting to effect our performances on the park. If we dont fix it soon, I fear at best we will be heading for another play-off against Rangers or Hibs to secure our premiership status. We have a total clown as general manager who has surrounded himself with his pals. That's where we need to start the clear out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Superwell Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 The current business plan for Fan Ownership is clearly not working, no money coming in and Les Hutchison isn't willing to keep firing money until he gets paid back which at the moment we cant afford to do. So no the club definitely isn't heading in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Are you sharing a log in with the guy who told Milo we were definitely finishing no lower than 10th a couple of days ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprawell Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I heard a horrible rumour that Administration could come this week There is a board meeting on Monday I hope to God I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 A Chinese club just bid 100,000 Chinese Yuan Renmibi for Moult so we should be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something else Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No big deal as we can obviously cope without moult,going by today's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I heard a horrible rumour that Administration could come this week There is a board meeting on Monday I hope to God I am wrong. I can’t see there being any shred of truth in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 There would be a lot more folk 'in the know' aware of the situation if Administration was a distinct and imminent possibility. However, should Admin ever comes to pass under the current regime then a few die-hard 'well fans should be ran out of town. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 IThere would be a lot more folk 'in the know' aware of the situation if Administration was a distinct and imminent possibility. However, should Admin ever comes to pass under the current regime then a few die-hard 'well fans should be ran out of town.Your absolutely 100pc correct with the second part 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No chance we're going into admin this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.