weeyin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I had pretty much written of Craigan for yesterdays performance, but hearing his summary I'm inclined to think we need to be checking if our managers are getting spiked with hallucinogenics around game time. He might not have been blunt, but it sounded like his comments were spot on given that he basically accused the team of needing a long hard look at theselves for the effort (or lack of) they put in, giving away too many soft goals, too many bad decisions when passing, and missing easy chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 A dig at our toothless strikers on Sportscene. Sign of a man looking to show his cojones ? "plenty of creativity in wide areas" and "putting the balls into right areas"? two of the strikers had 19 minutes, I think I seen one cross ball from another strikers corner that made it to the box, and one other cross from Law in that time McDonald was crap (again) but everything he tried to collect was out wide,then he wasted it all, be happy if he had the balls to call him out as poor in possession, but to indicate Moult, Robinson and Fletcher were the failings on the day - utter utter crap. , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWeegieDosser Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 IB must have left his Observers book of clichés behind when he left Trite nonsense- meaningless chewing gum for the ears New man required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 After some of the comments about Craigan's post match, I thought maybe I had heard a different interview. But no, seems it was the same one. Given that it was an MFC TV video, I think his direct quotes below aren't exactly happy clappy: "2nd half for some reason took us 23 minutes to bring 3 or 4 passes together. If you're going to be in a game where you can't keep the ball then your always going to be on the back foot". "Do they sit back a bit and invite the opposition on..." "Again, poor goals conceded" "I think back to lots of games this season where the opposition is getting into our box too easy, scoring goals too easy" "A cross ball, and you set up a wall for a free kick and just disintegrates. There's no excuses, the players just have to face up to it. The players have to understand where they're going in their careers first and foremost at Motherwell." "You don't come up to football games and just get through them, just play and get a couple of touches of the ball. You have to show that bit of heart sometime. Put your foot in and be strong. If you don't do that then you're always going to be on the back foot." "Anger and frustration because people are paying good money to travel up" ".. it's about understanding 'do I really want to win that ball - do I really want to get on the end of that ball?'... you know, the opposition gets one and it goes in the back of the net". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'm not saying Craigan would be my first choice for manager but did anyone really expect him to turn round a 12 defeats in 15 away league matches record in a week? Reality check needed for some. We've been catastrophically mismanaged. Whoever gets the job has a hard, hard job ahead of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shire Greats Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 IB must have left his Observers book of clichés behind when he left Trite nonsense- meaningless chewing gum for the ears New man required I thought he was fine in the interview....not saying he's the man for the job, but I didn't think he was sugar coating anything.I can only go on the highlights, some of the build up play looked good, but we are too easy to score against.Dundee first goal , cross comes in too easy and no challenge on the boy , who scores and the second goal......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigeeze Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Paul Lambert? More chance of Christopher Lambert taking the job! Why Pauls son over him? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 We've been catastrophically mismanaged. Whoever gets the job has a hard, hard job ahead of them. Yes we've been mismanaged but its hard to say if Baraclough's successor will have a hard job on their hands. Many feel that the players are underperforming. If thats the case we have to ask why they're doing so. Maybe thats something the new man can rectify maybe its not. Is it the bonus system? Is it players being played out of position? Are there personality conflicts? Is it because we have talented individuals but they just don't have the character to compete? Is it because we have too many loan players? Is it because the make up of the team just isn't right - some players just don't fit in with a team's system. Who knows. What we need in the new management team is a mixture of skills - good man management and someone who is tactically astute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swami Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 That Brandan Rodgers can fuck off an all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 That's Gary McAllister moved to 12/1 from 25/1 on Skybet. Edit: that's him left Liverpool as of this morning which probably explains the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Are any of our former managers in a current managers job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Are any of our former managers in a current managers job? Eric Black's currently temp managing Rotherham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Are any of our former managers in a current managers job? Terry Butcher is at Newport county currently bottom of league 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmfc Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Butcher was sacked last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Harrow Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Yes we've been mismanaged but its hard to say if Baraclough's successor will have a hard job on their hands. Many feel that the players are underperforming. If thats the case we have to ask why they're doing so. Maybe thats something the new man can rectify maybe its not. Is it the bonus system? Is it players being played out of position? Are there personality conflicts? Is it because we have talented individuals but they just don't have the character to compete? Is it because we have too many loan players? Is it because the make up of the team just isn't right - some players just don't fit in with a team's system. Who knows. What we need in the new management team is a mixture of skills - good man management and someone who is tactically astute. Maybe Baraclough really misjudged the league and the players are actually just not good enough, making t a hell of a job for Craigen or anyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 There's definitely an element of truth in that for me. For me the whole squad is a mixture of players who are not good enough, not up for it or past it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Dick Advocaat left Sunderland. Wonder if he'd like a move back up. Wouldn't stand for any billy big baws either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Dick Advocaat left Sunderland. Wonder if he'd like a move back up. Wouldn't stand for any billy big baws eitherHe said Sunderland was his last job before retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in motherwell Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Maybe Baraclough really misjudged the league and the players are actually just not good enough, making t a hell of a job for Craigen or anyone else. I think there's a lot in this. I'm not necessarily sure there's some cloak-and-dagger mismanagement (as such) going on behind the scenes, I just think that the fundamental quality of the squad isn't what it should be. There have been numerous cases of players from the English lower leagues coming up to do a job (look at the likes of Humphrey and Law for us, and the likes of Tansey at ICT), but Baraclough seems to have failed pretty badly in spotting potential. Let's be honest, panic signing or not, he did sign Tony Straker... The new processes that seem to have been implemented - fitness coaches, an improved scouting network (so we're told) - seem to have been more Les' baby than Ian Baraclough. There's scope to build on that but the focus needs to be on getting a proven man manager who can get the best out of the limited talents we currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Harrow Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Nope, I wouldn't say miss management at all. Just appears the appointment of a guy who had absolutely no idea of the Scottish leagues and a budget to hang himself. Unfortunately the club and any future manager has to carry these mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Maybe Baraclough really misjudged the league and the players are actually just not good enough, making t a hell of a job for Craigen or anyone else. By no means is this a defence of his signings and I understand why people are going with this idea but in reality how many of Baraclough's permanent signings from this summer would be in our 'strongest XI'? If anything it's this that's the problem, not that his signings show that he 'underestimated' the league but rather it shows that the signings he's made over the summer didn't improve on what he thought was his best XI. Instead they've been brought in to supplement the core of the squad. The same core that, it doesn't really need pointing out, underachieved and finished in the play-off positions. Ripley - on loan, contracted to Middlesboro for next 3 years Grimshaw - on loan from Man United or Law - was already at the club (though Bara did extend his deal) Kennedy - voted MOM on a couple of occasions here, has shown a lot of potential McManus - was already at the club Hammell - was already at the club Ainsworth - was already at the club Lasley - was already at the club Pearson - generally regarded as our best midfielder Johnson - out of form at the moment certainly or Thomas - already at the club Moult - our top scorer at the moment McDonald - hasn't kicked a ball this season by would hardly say bringing him in was 'underestimating' the league. Beyond that he's brought in; Fletcher - who's been injured Laing - a decent enough centre half, with potential Chalmers - as cover for Hammell Taylor - on loan from Reading and has been brutal but not a permanent signing Clarkson - arguably brought in in case we didn't get McDonald Robinson - panic buy no question Samson - again WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Harrow Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Taking over an 11th placed team should have suggested he needed to improve the quality and as you mention he hasn't. That stops at his door regardless. So it would appear he may have got it wrong. It's just a thought, there seems a lot of 'best staring 11' and 'if players can reach their potential' but maybe too many are substandard. I would also say that the decline in player standards was probably happening with McCall as well. Just a hunch though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Apart from cover for Pearson, we should have enough quality to be fighting for top 6 this season. Not saying we'll make top 6, but should be at least in the fight.I don't think it's the signings Baraclough made, so much, as his inability to find his best starting 11 and/or tactics. Of course there have been guys that didn't work out, but that is par for the course for any manager. I think Craigan has shown he's not ready for the step-up yet (even if he wanted it), but someone with a bit more tactical nous should be able to stabilize things in the short term. Having said all that, I think some fans understimate what a bad state we were in last season - or rather, how much effort it takes to address that state of affairs. It took wee Tommy 4 or 5 seasons to build us from a newly promoted First Division team into a team that challenged for the top of the SPL. It could take the same again for any new gaffer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Different starting points though weeyin - Tommy had a lot less quality at his disposal than Bara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross_mfc91 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Well we can definitely rule out Danny Lennon. Apparently he was at the club last week for a meeting but left saying "it's not for me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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