the traveller Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 We were dire today. Most of that squad could disappear tomorrow and would not be missed. There is no nucleus of a side and clearly no structure in place currently upon which things can be built on. Utterly depressing times with so far Hutchison's tenure being an unmitigated disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/James.Hegarty2/videos/10207998422341002/ Dundee's free kick. What the actual fuck. EDIT - who are the 5 in the wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's fuckin embarrassing. If that was amateur level you would get hung. Shitbag fuckwits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/James.Hegarty2/videos/10207998422341002/ Dundee's free kick. What the actual fuck. EDIT - who are the 5 in the wall? What wall? That was feckin pitiful!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Every single one of them turn round, the ball would have got between any two of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim64 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Haven't been at a game for a couple of weeks but saw no change today same old guff,far too many passengers no heart or desire apparent from some. Craigan not the man for the job and not just down to result,time for some experience not experiments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Haven't been at a game for a couple of weeks but saw no change today same old guff,far too many passengers no heart or desire apparent from some. Craigan not the man for the job and not just down to result,time for some experience not experiments Spot on Jim . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LankyMac Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I refuse to be completely negative. I can see what Crags tried today, he played a defensive 4-1-4-1 formation, with Grimshaw as the Defensive Midfielder and Skippy as the lone striker. We started reasonably well, Grimshaw was doing a great job of blocking anything going through the middle, but we had the usual hole at right back as Law has no clue where he is supposed to be or who to mark. When Lionel went off, the shape changed and everything went downhill. From then Grimshaw looked terrified anytime he had the ball. The formation was too defensive, we didn't leave anyone up when defending a corner which led to more pressure as we couldn't get out. I never thought I'd say this but we need training on how to stand in a wall, I can't remember watching any professional team lose a goal like that. The biggest issue of the day was decision making. They all took an extra touch or passed when they should have shot, just poor all round and I don't think anyone has the confidence to hit the back of the net. We lost any control in the middle of the park when he took Lasley off. Lasley might be a bit slow but he tries harder than anyone else on the pitch and wins a lot more in midfield than anyone gives him credit for. Kennedy had another decent game and should be told not to go forward, just stay in defence, He tried another run forward like he did in the Morton game and he lost the ball again (at least we didn't lose a goal because of it this time). Moult is another hardworker, shouldn't have been on the wing today as he didn't see as much of the ball, he should have been up with skippy which would have took the pressure off the midfield. I really believe if Lionel stayed on we would have got something from this game. I'm a fan of Crags but today's formation and team selection show it's too soon for him. We need an experienced and angry manager who will boot some of that team into shape. Law, Taylor, Robinson and a few others should never play for us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Any new manager should have the opportunity to rehabilitate all members of the squad. However I suggest he concentrates on passing, first lesson should be to pass to a team mate, second lesson should be to pass in front of said team mate and not behind. I note they have worked a little on throw ins, this is progress. If the passing lessons go well they should move on to finding a team mate in the box. Small steps. Some of them should be taken aside to learn how to form a wall, which basically involves standing still. Someone from the coaching staff should check with the sfa if it is actually mandatory to play the ball to the opposition full back when kicking off at the start of a half or after a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 We were dire today. Most of that squad could disappear tomorrow and would not be missed. There is no nucleus of a side and clearly no structure in place currently upon which things can be built on. Utterly depressing times with so far Hutchison's tenure being an unmitigated disaster. And no Stevie Hammell to blame everything on either eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 . They all took an extra touch or passed when they should have shot, just poor all round and I don't think anyone has the confidence to hit the back of the net. This was deliberate according to Craigan after the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 As Ya Bezzer alluded to earlier I don't think we're miles away from other teams. I don't think we've been much cop of late by any stretch of the imagination but just a slight upping of performance and concentration levels would I think see us eek our draws from games like today and against Accies. On balance I'd say Dundee deserved the win, a goal of a difference was about right as I thought 2-0 would have been slightly flattering. There was never really a sustained period where we were hemmed in around our own box, or that Ripley was overworked. It was generally routine stuff and for our part we spent a fair amount of time heading towards their goal.. What we didn't do however was properly defend either of their two goals and when we did get into their box our final ball was lacking or the finish wasn't good enough. Understood the reintroduction of Law to give an extra body in central midfield but felt the move of Moult out wide didn't do him many favours. He beavered away admirably as he always does but you wonder if a more natural in that position might have been more beneficial in terms of delivery and indeed having Louis in a place where he can do more damage. I thought at first glance our goal slightly fortuitous. Seemed to me Pearo was just trying to get the ball across the face of the goal and happily it went in. Just a pity we weren't able to fashion an equaliser having got that late lifeline. Again we were there in numbers in the box or twice but poor decision making meant the ball they desired wasn't forthcoming. There are clearly basics that require to be worked on. It is doing my box in the number of corners this season where we haven't managed to get the ball past the first man and as for standing tall in defensive walls, well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 The players are not playing well, granted but some of the team selections and tactics beggar belief. The chances are that if we play with a lone striker and field a defensive midfield then we won't create much. Its not rocket science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 It is the type of display that we have been accustomed to over the last 12 months, especially away from home. Thought there was very little between the two sides in the first half, with very few chances at either end. We gifted them two goals where we failed to deal with a ball back into the box from the free kick and then a shambles of a wall at what looked like a poor free kick from where I was sitting. I am not surprised by the formation, however I am surprised that he went for Moult at LM today. I really like the lad and his energy is great, however he is an out and out striker. He should have started up top and an actual winger in that position (Johnson or Thomas). Going to be a long hard season and I would bite your hand off for 10th just now. Massive 10 days coming up for the club. Need to get this appointment spot on or its drifting down the leagues in a similar style to Dunfermline! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I am not surprised by the formation, however I am surprised that he went for Moult at LM today. Moult at left midfield???? Really? It just gets more and more bizarre. What next - Lionel Ainsworth at centre back? It speaks volumes if we field a defensive team and then proceed to lose 2 goals. I would have thought we had a large enough squad to play a left midfielder in left midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Lasley was playing further forward than Moult at times!! It's not as if we don't have players who can play left mid! Mental from Craigan! The way we played at Inverness on the first game I honestly thought we were going to have a decent season. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Since then it looks like we're going to be fighting to stay in the league once again as the same mistakes are repeated week after week by the same players and those picking the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faddythedaddy Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I always known Lasley was a natural trequartista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yesterday showed why Craigan is not ready for the appointment, fair enough we dont know the full background to the team and bench selection and Lionel getting injured was a blow, but although we had shown some decent moves down that side, I think we had only made their keeper collect the ball once? but even beyond the questionable bench and starting formation selections, the changes were then simply bad decisions. a few have commented that there was not much between teams, and we've seen that a few times, I would agree, which is why its so frustrating to see us not even do the very very basics which would see us pick up points. there are no single fall guys for the likes of yesterday, except maybe Craigan, his inability to see Johnson was completely and utterly useless on the right , in fact it was so counter productive, in how often he was giving the ball away, counter that with Moult struggling to contribute anything from the left. Corners , we won a few , why are we letting Johnson take them, pointless excercise and more often that not we end up chasing back to defend - We must have a player or two who can at least hit the middle of the box - moult did it late on with one. Opposition setpieces - no players outside our box = no out ball , immediate pressure piled back on - I'm sure others will mention our wall' McDonald - why is he deserving of the starting place every week? Moult - he's not a ball player for out wide - is he? get him back in front of the goals and working his socks off to bring others into play Ainsworth - looked keen and in retrospect was our only hope. Johnson- should have been put on the left, but still think he would deserved to have been hooked if we had any replacement on the bench, his decisions and contributions are terrible just now, in the last few minutes he had the ball out wide and was offered four tall strikers in a perfect line 10yards out to aim for , but cut in and tried to walk it across a packed defence? Grimshaw - what has he got that has sidelined other players? Pearson- had a pretty poor game imo, maybe he was told to hold back? his goal as lucky as it was , came from one of his few ventures forward into the box Lasley - was all over the middle of the pitch and pushing forward , recovering possesion and generally baling others out - would love to know the pyschology of Craigan choice to hook him - totally undeserved Ripley - some quite horrendous goalkeeping - coupled with some fantastic saves, and although distribution was still terrible, at least he played it out from the back on occasions this week. The defence is what it is, not one of them can pass a ball, and also seem to think they can turn a man? the two late additons up front, had nothing to work with, but it was enjoyable to see Dundee even slightly rattled when we actally tried to get balls in the box to actual strikers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Grimshaw - what has he got that has sidelined other players? Pearson- had a pretty poor game imo, maybe he was told to hold back? his goal as lucky as it was , came from one of his few ventures forward into the box Not able to make the game yesterday. How was Grimshaw's off the ball (tackling, covering, blocking, closing down) contribution? I thought that these qualities were why he was signed on loan. Pearo? A very odd comment from you Iain, but I don't doubt it was right. One of Pearo's great strengths has always been his box to box ability - tackling at the back, running upfield with the ball and supporting his strikers, so it seems surprising that he wasn't doing this. Sounds like either he wasn't fit or as you say he was holding back on instructions. Incidentally he's well capable of playing wide left - maybe his best position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Moult at left midfield???? Really? It just gets more and more bizarre. I wasn't there yesterday so I don't know what the formation was but Moult has played there before as part of a front three. Against Accies the three front players were swapping positions all game which meant Moult played out on the left for quite a bit of the game. It's not a new thing. Marvin Johnson is struggling with an injury and hardly trained last week leaving us with only Dom Thomas, who is inexperienced and possibly needs a little protection and Chalmers is having to cover for Hammell so we are short of left sided players right now. I'm sure if everything was fine and dandy Moult wouldn't be playing there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I wasn't there yesterday so I don't know what the formation was but Moult has played there before as part of a front three. Against Accies the three front players were swapping positions all game which meant Moult played out on the left for quite a bit of the game. It's not a new thing. Marvin Johnson is struggling with an injury and hardly trained last week leaving us with only Dom Thomas, who is inexperienced and possibly needs a little protection and Chalmers is having to cover for Hammell so we are short of left sided players right now. I'm sure if everything was fine and dandy Moult wouldn't be playing there. It was 100% wrong choice. Should have been 4-4-2 with Pearo on left and Las/Grimshaw central. I think the tactics were over engineered from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Surprised there hasn't been more if a backlash to that performance yesterday. Is the fan base now so apathetic to the garbage we've been subjected to continually for over a year that we've just been battered into submission? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in motherwell Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Aye, get Craigan punted. Impostor etc. In all seriousness, why bother? New manager on the horizon will inevitably result in a change of approach. I'm glad we've now got a bit longer to get someone new in and get some time with the team over the break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Against who ? The temp manager or a clueless team of eleven individuals who look as if they don't even like playing together. Tell you what the backlash should be about travelling up there and paying to get in , it cost us four over 150 quid for the privelage what a waste of fuckin money . They chancers will need to improve a lot or even try a bit before I go to an away game again . Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 When they were crap a fortnight ago it was because they had downed tools under Barraclough.By all accounts yesterday was as bad as anything under him so who will they play for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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