Graeme Bremner Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 okay to start off with i don't want to be that guy who hates negativity but is negative himself. But the one thing that worries me about our team right now is there is no urgency in the play and a lot of the players look lost without the ball i always feel that our players should be looking to pressure the opponents. I feel that the final balls certainly Lacking but we would probably do better than one goal a game if we pressure the opponents and force errors of the opposition . I feel the players are better than results are suggesting and thats whats annoying me. Theres a decent mid table team there its just no ones drilling them to play forward basic football i honestly think basic simple football is the way we have to go now. and to install a sense of responsibility into our players too often are we allowing the opponents all the time on the ball and no ones making a real effort to get it back. I think a basic 4 4 2 would be our best bet with ainsworth and thomas on the wings and moult and fletcher up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 We need to sacrifice (not literally) a winger methinks... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotts Well Fan Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Saturday was the first home game for a while and I was really up for it. I left absolutely deflated and frustrated. We had much of the ball but did not seem to be able to deliver a penetrating forward pass. Everything was either square or backwards. So many times Chalmers and Grimshaw got the ball and then turned back and passed the ball ball to central defenders. This lost all forward momentum. Now whether that was good defending from ICT or lack of confidence or the new keep the ball philosophy (or a combination of all three) i am not sure but it is not working.Only when we took of one of the wingers did we start to look like a team ready to go forward. Disappointing but not terminal but manager needs to work on a new shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 We need to sacrifice (not literally) a winger methinks... I would agree. We were over reliant on the 2 of them on Saturday, and the week before at Killie. The tactic was get it wide which resulted in a lot of sideways and back passes to try and get round the opposition midfield. I am glad we are not just hoofing it up the park but we do need to find something that is a more penetrating. 4-3-3 might be the way with the right players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I thought we played quite well on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I thought we played quite well on Saturday So did I actually which was why I posted in the match thread about people's immediate after match comments being really negative. We look much better but I do think we are not as penetrating or clinical as we should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Our off the ball movement needs work. Player communication doesn't seem to be great, loosing the ball because we pass to where the player was a second or two ago. Johnson is off the boil if you ask me. His defending is shocking and looks completely un interrsted, he just doesn't look around about himself. We need a play maker, a Nicky Law type that can drag the opposition around even when off the ball and has a bit of vision about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 +1 on the playmaker. We have struggled to find a consistent performer in that role. A fit Vigurs being the closest in recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Our off the ball movement needs work. Absolutely. For example the defending at Vigurs' goal was criminal. There was no-one in a position to close him down, let along tackle him. Had he been harried or hassled and put under pressure would he still have scored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 If our defenders had read the opinions of Vigurs on here, they probably thought he wasn't worth marking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan84 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I think a few guys need to be moved on in january, Joe Chalmers, Marvin Johnson and Josh Law just aren't SPL level players in my opinion. We have youth players who are no worse! Namely Luke Watt, Chris Cadden, Ben Hall. The most frustrating thing for me about saturday apart from the dreadful referee was that the team can't pass five yards. Its embarrassing. Inverness gave us an absolute lesson at times. At the moment apart from the fitness/work rate levels, very little has changed in the last two years since our fall of form under mccall. I believe Mcgee can turn this around and get us playing fluent/attacking football but its gonna take time and I think a few more players heading out the exit door than I first thought. We need more options than a batch of workmanlike, hard tackling midfielders who have no idea how to move the ball forward. Edited November 9, 2015 by Wellfan84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 For starters, we need to be able to score more than one goal. One goal will rarely get you anything in the SPFL and if we could increase that to two, or even three, we will win more than we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shire Greats Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think a few guys need to be moved on in january, Joe Chalmers, Marvin Johnson and Josh Law just aren't SPL level players in my opinion. We have youth players who are no worse! Namely Luke Watt, Chris Cadden, Ben Hall. The most frustrating thing for me about saturday apart from the dreadful referee was that the team can't pass five yards. Its embarrassing. Inverness gave us an absolute lesson at times. At the moment apart from the fitness/work rate levels, very little has changed in the last two years since our fall of form under mccall. I believe Mcgee can turn this around and get us playing fluent/attacking football but its gonna take time and I think a few more players heading out the exit door than I first thought. We need more options than a batch of workmanlike, hard tackling midfielders who have no idea how to move the ball forward. Disagree re Marvin Johnson , not at his best , but when he is , there is a player there.i suppose it's up to MM to get the best out if him.....if he can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 For starters, we need to be able to score more than one goal. One goal will rarely get you anything in the SPFL and if we could increase that to two, or even three, we will win more than we lose. Completely agree. Is there any other team in the Premiership (or in any other league?) saddled with this embarrassing stat? Pretty sure there isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't think anyone in the club is unaware of that particular problem. I said at the start of the season, it was unrealistic to expect some instant or massive improvement with basically the same core of players. It's going to take some hard work and a little more time before we are even a middling SPFL team and finding our scoring is a key part of that puzzle. It's an added stress on the defence who know that conceding one goal at the moment means it's unlikely we'll pick up all 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 The players aren't good enough. That's about all there is to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Bremner Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Disagree re Marvin Johnson , not at his best , but when he is , there is a player there.i suppose it's up to MM to get the best out if him.....if he can but players should be giving there all every game not when it suits them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Completely agree. Is there any other team in the Premiership (or in any other league?) saddled with this embarrassing stat? Pretty sure there isn't. I don't know about that but I do know underboyle has probably mentioned it more times than we've scored so far this season!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Maybe he's worried nobody else noticed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I would agree. We were over reliant on the 2 of them on Saturday, and the week before at Killie. The tactic was get it wide which resulted in a lot of sideways and back passes to try and get round the opposition midfield. I am glad we are not just hoofing it up the park but we do need to find something that is a more penetrating. 4-3-3 might be the way with the right players. I had noticed in the recent Scotland games they were constantly trying to get the ball out wide, but actually our success came through the middle. The reason I mention it being Mcghee's involvement in both. It could be effective, but mainly due to a poor final ball hasn't been for Scotland or Motherwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 We need to sacrifice (not literally) a winger methinks... I've no problem with a literal sacrifice if it made us good again. Anything to please the vengeful deity we've had over the past 18 months. Shukra Stones, the Ark of the Covenant, whatever it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCusker Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 for me the main thing is that some of our players arent very good. I cant believe some folk think josh law is worth a starting place in our team. Joe chalmers is woeful. If you look back at most of the goals we have conceded this season, its down the wings that our problems arise, mostly law's side to be honest. I reckon between, laing, kennedy and mick we can put out 2 spl level central defenders but our fullbacks are shite, even when hammy is back even he is clearly not fit and a tad overweight. we have good players who shld be able to hold their own against most spl teams but a few tweeks are needed. in an IDEAL world id do this:- RIPLEY - stay SAMSON - stay WEE DAN - let go Reid - let go law - let go watt - stay kennedy - stay mcmanus - stay laing - stay chalmers - let go hammell - not sure if im honest grimshaw - stay lasley - not sure pearson - stay ainsworth - stay marvin - get your finger oot but stay Taylor - leave immediately!!!!!! Thomas - stay mcdonald - he has been shite but stay moult - stay robinson - let go Fletcher - stay Clarkson - let go With the wages saved see what MM can do and get 2 or 3 in. As i said i reckon we have a few good players who can play and win at thus level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 You seem to be in the minority regarding law. He's been the first choice RB under three managers now. The problem with many of our support is that they want our players to improve, but they also refuse to change their opinion of a player if when do. Others just like to stick with the same scapegoat for their Motherwell career. The suggested replacement I'm guessing is Watt, who has hardly been a colossus in the u20s. When do you propose to let go the ones you want to let go? At the end of the season when their contracts expire? Realistically in January we can send back the loan players and maybe move some guys onto other clubs, but someone needs to want them first, and the player has to agree to take a wage cut, which would be stupid. I can see Reid and possibly clarkson going out on loan for the rest of the year, but we're stuck with the others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieb Dykstra Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 for me the main thing is that some of our players arent very good. I cant believe some folk think josh law is worth a starting place in our team. Joe chalmers is woeful. If you look back at most of the goals we have conceded this season, its down the wings that our problems arise, mostly law's side to be honest. I reckon between, laing, kennedy and mick we can put out 2 spl level central defenders but our fullbacks are shite, even when hammy is back even he is clearly not fit and a tad overweight. we have good players who shld be able to hold their own against most spl teams but a few tweeks are needed. in an IDEAL world id do this:- RIPLEY - stay SAMSON - stay WEE DAN - let go Reid - let go law - let go watt - stay kennedy - stay mcmanus - stay laing - stay chalmers - let go hammell - not sure if im honest grimshaw - stay lasley - not sure pearson - stay ainsworth - stay marvin - get your finger oot but stay Taylor - leave immediately!!!!!! Thomas - stay mcdonald - he has been shite but stay moult - stay robinson - let go Fletcher - stay Clarkson - let go With the wages saved see what MM can do and get 2 or 3 in. As i said i reckon we have a few good players who can play and win at thus level. So, you are saying that some have been shite and should go and some others have also been shite but they should stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 The McManus one is baffling, He has been the biggest disappointment, maybe due to his experience. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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