Goggles & Flippers Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Read all of this, scrolled up just to check it was ins and outs, rolled eyes, liked siebs comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemunster Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 You know shits going down if Eddie pops up on a thread these days. Enjoying a beer on my holidays in France. Had some handbrake trouble yesterday. Sante! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Customers or fans? This thread is going down a well worn path that has been debated here before. The club wants us to be loyal fans and at the same time act like customers by paying our cash in return for a product (entrance to a game, replica shirt) without asking too many questions. A fan will want to know more than a customer. The thing with football clubs is they generally don't lose customers to other football clubs. They just lose customers who decide they don't want the product anymore. If someone isn't enjoying going to a certain pub or restaurant, they'll try another one. It's not like they say "I'm not going to a pub or a restaurant anymore, I'll just get takeaways" (maybe there is a comparison here, with the clubs as bars and restaurants and Sky Sports as takeaway). The thing is that clubs think that the loyalty of fans means that they can sometimes get away with shoddy customer service or a sub standard product. And they are right. If I were to stop going to Motherwell games if it were an unpleasant experience, I'd have stopped years ago. But people change and not everyone has the same tolerance for poor performances or customer service. Hence dropping attendances. What complicates matters is fan ownership. Fans already feel like the club "belongs" to them and as such some have more of an interest in what goes on behind the scenes. If you are looking for fans to buy into ownership, that only gets magnified. So I wouldn't slate anyone for wanting to know as much as possible. Even if I lean more towards Al B's point of view in that I care about the product on the park and everything else not so much... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 So when we finish top 6, a possible Euro spot and maybe a couple of later round cup matches we will be quids in then, lots of extra cash to add to the budget next season. I hope that's the case definitely! R Rather than budgeting worst case scenario meaning x amount of season tickets, x amount hospitality and prize money for 10th and no cup runs money. Which is how it was described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 There are fans and fans. Some want to know every detail and some only want to turn up on a Saturday to watch their team. Each to their own. In principle I think that fans should be given as much information as possible, if they want it ie its not rammed down everyone's throat. When the Society takes over members don't need to know everything as Al B has rightly pointed out. Members should be told important details and a bit more perhaps if they want it but don't forget they appoint a Board of Directors to run the club and it should be left to them and the club's employees to conduct day to day business without fear of interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Ryan Stevenson sounded like he had virtually signed then went to Hearts. Not quite as close to a deal, but Samson was highly linked to us in the media and McCall made noises about signing him too. Actually Ryan Stevenson was the one I would have also quoted. Maybe I should have said once it became public knowledge rather than because it became public knowledge. Hard to tell without the facts. I would rather not know until deal is done like the players we signed this summer. Don't think many if any had them mentioned or on the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Customers or fans? This thread is going down a well worn path that has been debated here before. The club wants us to be loyal fans and at the same time act like customers by paying our cash in return for a product (entrance to a game, replica shirt) without asking too many questions. A fan will want to know more than a customer. The thing with football clubs is they generally don't lose customers to other football clubs. They just lose customers who decide they don't want the product anymore. If someone isn't enjoying going to a certain pub or restaurant, they'll try another one. It's not like they say "I'm not going to a pub or a restaurant anymore, I'll just get takeaways" (maybe there is a comparison here, with the clubs as bars and restaurants and Sky Sports as takeaway). The thing is that clubs think that the loyalty of fans means that they can sometimes get away with shoddy customer service or a sub standard product. And they are right. If I were to stop going to Motherwell games if it were an unpleasant experience, I'd have stopped years ago. But people change and not everyone has the same tolerance for poor performances or customer service. Hence dropping attendances. What complicates matters is fan ownership. Fans already feel like the club "belongs" to them and as such some have more of an interest in what goes on behind the scenes. If you are looking for fans to buy into ownership, that only gets magnified. So I wouldn't slate anyone for wanting to know as much as possible. Even if I lean more towards Al B's point of view in that I care about the product on the park and everything else not so much... There's a massive difference between wanting to know, and throwing a hissy fit when you aren't told. The first one is perfectly fine, as long as it's tempered by the knowledge that it's not something you're entitled to. Also on a more general point (and for the hard of reading CMWellfan), I never called you, me or any of us customers. The term was part of a list of various names we could be called, with the point being that whatever name you give us as a group, none of them afford us inside knowledge of business dealings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Have Kilmarnock signed eight players on loan? Anyone know what the limit is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Have Kilmarnock signed eight players on loan? Anyone know what the limit is? Going by the list on STV's page they've 5 on loan. http://stv.tv/sport/football/1356778-every-confirmed-move-of-the-2016-scottish-premiership-summer-window/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 No, we really aren't. For the average punter, which you are, I am, most of us are...the fan-ownership thing is just a scaled up version of the buy-a-brick scheme. If you think that the club is spending money unwisely, or not capitalising on oppertunities in the way you feel they should, then you are 100% entitled to take your money elsewhere, or keep it in your pocket. But if you think buying into the 'Well Society affords you any kind of rights as far as the business is concerned, then you're going to be one very disappointed guy and have, it would seem, completely misunderstood what the 'Well Society is. I appreciate you might have your own scale for stupid though, and that's fair enough. Yep! Fan ownership just means they are using your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Staggering post. Puts me in mind of the old saying - Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Yep, and that's why I don't respond to any of your posts anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm wondering about the price of ink cartridges in Staples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yep, and that's why I don't respond to any of your posts anymore. Except you. Ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 One of our key targets last summer, Jackson Irvine has left County after Burton activated his release clause. He'll be a loss to the league but nice return for County with the transfer fee possibly in excess of £500k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Pup Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 With first team players dependant on one or more players moving on, there still remains the outstanding position of assistant manager to be filled. McGhee has said there have been a dozen good applicants, for me I'd like to see someone like Gary Holt - presuming he will apply, which given he's unemployed is a reasonable assumption - youthful but with a good pedigree and should McGhee only see out his current contract, an ideal replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Given Holt left his role at Norwich because he wanted to pursue a managerial position it'd seem an odd career move to go for the assistant job at Motherwell tbh. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36650786 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Except you. Ironic. Nope, you're right...you the man. All hail the CMWellfan !!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRH1tYD6bow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 on topic, it's very early doors. I expect there will be further movement in our squad. Unfortunately, the club won't be able to respend and incomes from player departures and I don't think an "inside knowledge" should be required to realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Pup Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Given Holt left his role at Norwich because he wanted to pursue a managerial position it'd seem an odd career move to go for the assistant job at Motherwell tbh. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36650786 He was on off the ball 2/7 and the impression I got from him on the radio was he was looking at getting back into the game, with the view of being first team coach/manager, but it certainly didn't sound like he would be ruling himself out as an assistant at any club. I may be wide of the mark on that as two weeks ago is hazy in my head. It remains to be seen who McGhee appoints but imo it is someone of that ilk that we need to be looking at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm pretty sure we'll get it right. In McGee, Craigan, Lasley and Hammell I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Interesting story on a 14 year old destined for big things in our ranks...doubt there is much we can do to keep him given how young he is. http://m.heraldscotland.com/sport/14623203.The_14_year_old_Motherwell_striker_lined_up_by_some_of_England__39_s_best_clubs_heads_to_Sunderland_on_trial/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dossertillidie Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just me that finds it frustrating as fuck that over the years the good players we have had we have never received a decent or fee at all for when they have moved on, and when we finally get a "hot prospect" through the youth, the likely hood is he will move before playing in the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just me that finds it frustrating..... and when we finally get a "hot prospect" through the youth, the likely hood is he will move before playing in the first team? This wasn't always the case. In recent years, and I can't define "recent", this kind of predatory behaviour towards signing good young lads before they gain first team experience, has become more and more widespread amongst the bigger clubs, as they have extended their tentacles. I suppose too that young lads and their parents are also becoming more ambitious and dream of their offspring becoming the next Messi. No its not just you, its very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 If you look at Chelsea and their model of basically 'warehousing' talent, then you can see an even bigger problem. Not only are they purchasing players for their academies, young players are being bought, almost in bulk, then shipped put on loan, where good performances increase their value. Many of these Chelsea players will get nowhere near the first team squad, yet will return the club a healthy profit. A quick look at the website reveals that they had thirty five players put on loan in 2015. Sporting Lisbon are doing much the same and in Scotland look at Celtic. Did Celtic really need to buy Scott Allan or young Christie from ICT? Did they pay a fair price for them, comparitively? I'm just glad that with Moult and Johnson, our sellable assets are tied down to two year deals presently. In my time we have lost McKinnon and Lambert on Bosman transfers, watched McDonald, Pearson and Murphy go for fees which were a steal and now the question marks around Robbie Leitch at present. Hall is another one, but I suspect the compensation was a fair sum, to most on here. We produced the best Scottish footballer in a generation in McFadden, let us hope we can bring some more through our academy before the vultures circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 TBF, we aren't averse to acquiring youth players from other teams. Ben Hall being a recent example (although he was a little older). While it used to happen in the past, the interested clubs would often let the player develop in his local club and bring him in later. Money speaks now, even at that age, and clubs don't want to miss out on the next big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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