2016/17 Ins & Outs

[MelvinBragg]

Of course, the flipside is that if the likes of Semple and Robbie Leitch don't develop as the larger clubs hope then we have got a fee for a player we might have released at the age of 20. If the player does develop, you'd hope in Semple's case we'll be smart enough to try and negotiate a sell on percentage...

[ropy]

Is he even 'ours' to sell at that age?

[MelvinBragg]

Is he even 'ours' to sell at that age?

Hadn't even thought about that. Imagine there are some (no doubt badly worded, convoluted) to cover such things. Jon Obi Mikel is one I remember changing hands very young and Chelsea, having to fork out for him...

[dinnae-punt-it]

Hadn't even thought about that. Imagine there are some (no doubt badly worded, convoluted) to cover such things. Jon Obi Mikel is one I remember changing hands very young and Chelsea, having to fork out for him...

Jon Obi Mikel signed for another club (can't remember the club), then wanted to do a u-turn and sign for Chelsea. That was why they had to spend money buying him out of his contract.

[dinnae-punt-it]

Jon Obi Mikel signed for another club (can't remember the club), then wanted to do a u-turn and sign for Chelsea. That was why they had to spend money buying him out of his contract.

Quite a story:

 

Controversial transfer to England

On 29 April 2005, a few days after Mikel turned 18, Premier League club Manchester United announced that it had struck a deal with Lyn to sign the player.[10] United's website also claimed that they had done a deal directly with the teenager and that he had signed a contract to join them. Mikel's agents were bypassed as the club persuaded the youngster to sign a four-year contract without representation. Lyn allegedly sent a fax to his agents abroad, claiming their services were no longer required by Mikel. Reports said the deal was initially worth £4 million,[11] and would see the player arrive at Old Trafford in January 2006.

 

Manchester United's rival Premier League club, Chelsea, later issued a counter-claim suggesting that they already had an agreement with Mikel and his agents, but Lyn denied this claim. However, subsequent reports indicated that Chelsea claimed to have been involved in arranging the player's original move to Europe with a view to signing him at a later date. Further substance was added to this claim after it was revealed that the player had impressed Chelsea manager José Mourinho while training with the club's first-team squad during the summer of 2004.

 

Mikel expressed his delight at joining United in a hastily arranged press conference, where he was pictured holding up a Manchester United shirt bearing the squad number 21.[12] Following his signing of the contract to join United, there were claims from Norway that he had received a number of threatening phone calls from unknown sources. Mikel was assigned a security guard and moved to a safe hotel. On 11 May 2005, however, the midfielder went missing during a Norwegian Cup game against Klemetsrud; he had not been selected for the match but had been watching from the stands. Whilst the player was believed to have left with one of his agents, John Shittu, who had by now flown in to meet Mikel, his disappearance sparked massive media coverage in Norway and also provoked a police enquiry after Lyn Director Morgan Andersen made claims in the Norwegian media that Mikel had been "kidnapped." These claims were later repeated by Manchester United's assistant manager Carlos Queiroz, who accused Chelsea of being involved in the alleged "kidnapping."[13]

 

It subsequently emerged that Mikel had travelled to London with his agent John Shittu, who was working for Jerome Anderson's SEM group.[14] Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson considered travelling to Oslo to visit Mikel, but decided against this after Mikel was reported to have left the country.[15] Staying in a London hotel and some nine days after disappearing, Mikel stated on Sky Sports News that he had been pressured into signing the contract with United without his agent present, claims furiously rebuffed by both Manchester United and Lyn.[16] Mikel told the British media that Chelsea were the club he genuinely wanted to sign for. In response to these events, United made an official complaint to FIFA about the behaviour of both Chelsea and the player's agents, Shittu and Rune Hauge, already infamous for his role in the George Graham bungs scandal.[17] FIFA dismissed these claims in August 2005, stating there was insufficient evidence to bring a case against Chelsea.

 

Following the tournament, Mikel failed to return to Lyn, whereupon the club subsequently lodged a complaint with FIFA. On 12 August 2005, FIFA ruled that Mikel should return to Lyn to fulfill the remainder of his contract with the club, whilst they would decide at a later date whether the contract he signed with United should be upheld or cancelled.[18][19] After a delay of over a month, Mikel complied with the FIFA decision and returned to Lyn in early September 2005 after a three-month absence.

 

Transfer resolved

Rather than leaving FIFA to determine the validity of the contract signed with Manchester United, Chelsea intervened by volunteering to settle the transfer saga through negotiation with Lyn and Manchester United.[20]

 

On 2 June 2006, Chelsea, Manchester United and Lyn reached a settlement to resolve the future of the player. Mikel's registration was to be transferred from Lyn to Chelsea; Manchester United agreed to terminate their option agreement with Mikel. Under the terms of this agreement, Chelsea agreed to pay United £12 million, half paid upon the finalization of the contract and the other half in June 2007, and Lyn £4 million, half payable immediately and half in June 2007. As a result of this settlement, all claims in this matter were withdrawn.[21] On 19 July 2006, Chelsea were granted a work permit for the midfielder after they completed the £16 million signing in June 2006.[22]

 

In the aftermath of the transfer, Lyn Director Morgan Andersen, who had a previous conviction for forging official documents,[23] was convicted of fraud and making false accusations; he was given a one-year suspended jail sentence by an Oslo court. The court also ordered him to pay 20,000 kroner (£1,944) in costs.[24] Chelsea made a High Court claim for £16 million against Lyn and Andersen following the conviction, claiming that the previously agreed settlement was not binding as "the transfer was based on a fraudulent misrepresentation, now proven by a court of law."[25] This claim was subsequently resolved out of court.[26]

[Ya Bezzer!]

McGhee after the match reiterated that there would be no more signings as "we've spent our money" and that "we'll have to work with what we have".

[Shotts Well Fan]

McGhee after the match reiterated that there would be no more signings as "we've spent our money" and that "we'll have to work with what we have".

We should raise some cash from the sale of either Johnson or Ainsworth and use to bolster midfield as if that is all we have we will struggle.

[MelvinBragg]

McGhee after the match reiterated that there would be no more signings as "we've spent our money" and that "we'll have to work with what we have".

Alarming if that means Chalmers is our backup midfielder. Did well today when all that was required was breaking up play but didn't do much to suggest he can offer more in that position.

 

Campbell and MacLean may have to step up...

[Big Wispy Flossy]

We should raise some cash from the sale of either Johnson or Ainsworth and use to bolster midfield as if that is all we have we will struggle.

Are clubs genuinely interested in buying either of them?

[CrosshillWell]

If this is the squad we are going to procede with then there are questions.

 

Chalmers doesn't look like an able replacement for Hammell, he did okay today but he is not a midfielder.

 

Kennedy seems way off the first team and us in the last year if his contract, the position of Laing is even less clear.

 

Thomas will really need to produce this season, even if he needs to be in the centre. Perhaps Campbell will hit the ground running, I do hope so.

 

I really hope Blyth becomes a good signing and progresses the way that Erwin did.

 

I'm actually quite pleased about our signings, young and with potential.

 

The transfer deadline scramble may well see Johnson go for a reasonable fee.

[Lobey_Dosser]

If we genuinely have no money left, then the budget must have been altered during the summer, possibly due to the fixture misunderstanding.

 

Blyth, Tait and Heneghan were all brought in early doors with the intention of bringing in a midfielder. Then we lose Pearson for a rumoured £100k and McGhee says an attacking midfielder is a priority.

 

Hopefully an admin fuck up isn't going to hamper our chances.

[supermarv]

If we genuinely have no money left, then the budget must have been altered during the summer, possibly due to the fixture misunderstanding.

 

Blyth, Tait and Heneghan were all brought in early doors with the intention of bringing in a midfielder. Then we lose Pearson for a rumoured £100k and McGhee says an attacking midfielder is a priority.

 

Hopefully an admin fuck up isn't going to hamper our chances.

And the compensation we are due, we Defos need that boy Lucas in, although it looked like chalmers done already, he was actually shit out of position far too much for me, that left side today was absoloute gash

[Haggischomper]

Blyth, Tait and Heneghan were all brought in early doors with the intention of bringing in a midfielder.

Not early enough, if you recall all the greeting on here

[fizoxy]

I don't believe a word McGhee says in interviews, and a lot of the time I do t think he does either. I am sure we will see at least one outgoing, not including loans.

 

However, if this is the squad we're stuck with I think we have enough to be in the discussion for 5th -7th, but one or two injuries could see us struggle.

[capt_oats]

If we genuinely have no money left, then the budget must have been altered during the summer, possibly due to the fixture misunderstanding.

 

Blyth, Tait and Heneghan were all brought in early doors with the intention of bringing in a midfielder. Then we lose Pearson for a rumoured £100k and McGhee says an attacking midfielder is a priority.

 

Hopefully an admin fuck up isn't going to hamper our chances.

We're the quotes about the midfield being a priority not after the fixtures came out?

 

Just checked Alan Burrows tweeted to a guy about McGhee being after a midfielder but needing to 'wheel & deal' for it to happen on the 8th July the fixtures were out 17th June. McGhee's comments to the press about bringing in another midfielder were reported after McHugh signed on 5th July.

[Lobey_Dosser]

We're the quotes about the midfield being a priority not after the fixtures came out?

 

Just checked Alan Burrows tweeted to a guy about McGhee being after a midfielder but needing to 'wheel & deal' for it to happen on the 8th July the fixtures were out 17th June. McGhee's comments to the press about bringing in another midfielder were reported after McHugh signed on 5th July.

I was thinking we may have took some time to readdress the budget, particularly when there was talk of us and Thistle chasing compensation.

 

Anyway, having just watched McGhee's interview I sense he's just putting a wee bit of pressure on the Board to squeeze every penny possible.

[capt_oats]

I was thinking we may have took some time to readdress the budget, particularly when there was talk of us and Thistle chasing compensation.

 

Anyway, having just watched McGhee's interview I sense he's just putting a wee bit of pressure on the Board to squeeze every penny possible.

Yeah, I'm loathe to hold someone to broad statements in an "oh! but you said..."-type way. situations and scenarios change and evolve. I think most recognise that as a club we aren't in a position to overspend. There's no real latitude for that, we literally can't afford it.

 

However given that a week and a half (or so) ago both the COO and manager were commenting on wanting to address the centre of the park then with a month and a half of the window to go I don't imagine that in the space of just over a week since those comments their minds have changed and that's a line been drawn under things for the season.

 

As I've said before I don't think that McGhee's framing of the situation is *too* different from his comments the other week. What does seem to be the case is that in order to get another body in, there will need to be movement out.

[Guest]

 

Hail, the retards, for they have truly taken over the internet.

We're just alright with this sort of language, aye?

 

Fuck sake.

[Gadgey]

No, I don't think anyone is mate.

 

That said, what I really like about this forum is how the site controllers (is that what you call them ?) allow the use of some colourful language and how in the main, people don't abuse that dare I say trust.

 

There's always gonna be one who manages to test everyone's patience and at the minute, it's this guy.

 

I mean, it takes real endeavour to continually provoke in the way that he does. Unfortunately for him, he's isolated himself and as a result, is now resorting to name calling.

 

More to be pitied than scorned and if "everyone's oota line but oor Jock".....then I'm happy with being oota line.

[weeyin]

We're just alright with this sort of language, aye?

 

Fuck sake.

I think the moderators depend on self-policing and other posters to take care of offensive posts by calling them out in replies.

 

I think it works pretty well for the most part.

[Goggles & Flippers]

Shite post Weeyin ... have a word with yersel

[Joeboy]

I reckon we'll end up getting a loan midfielder from down south towards the end of August.

[Shotts Well Fan]

I reckon we'll end up getting a loan midfielder from down south towards the end of August.

We certainly need one for back up if nothing else. However, one or two will have to go if McGhee is to be beiieved.

[capt_oats]

I reckon we'll end up getting a loan midfielder from down south towards the end of August.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen either or even a free agent who may be willing to accept terms that are a bit lower than those he'd be looking for at this point while there's still another month and a bit of the window to go. Similarly I definitely get the feeling that there are a couple in the squad that McGhee possibly has doubts about but may want to give them an opportunity to show something to change his mind.

[CrosshillWell]

I'm hoping that McHugh might be that elusive replacement for Lasley and hopefully we can rotate between those two and Campbell for the deeper midfield roles.

 

For the wide roles we have Johnson, Thomas, Cadden, Ainsworth and McLean.

 

Interesting to see which strikers we go with given Moult is out. Blyth has a physical presence which will be useful against some of the other teams in the league.

 

A lot will depend on Hammell. If he is not fit we will struggle on that side. I think Tait will tighten up the right side. No more Josh Law critics...