BigWeegieDosser Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Swings and roundabouts. We get low ball offers, so we make low ball offers to other clubs. We are in the same shit as most others. Every club is shedding costs, reducing wage bills and player numbers . Consequently, the pool of available players will grow, driving down wages. A situation we can take advantage of. Long term this isn't beneficial for anyone , but short term it may bridge the gap until we hopefully finally reap rewards from the sale of homegrown talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Murphy was clearly the best player at the club but McCall gave Ojaama and Law chances playing off the striker while sticking Murphy out wide where he spent a lot of time defending. The hype about Goodwillie was largely down the BBC but as Joeboy said United went all out to market him. We didn't do that with Murphy but unless McCall is building the team around him it's hard to promote him as a seven figure player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 The situation we're in, selling a player for 200-300k each season would be a big help. If could have a 1 million quid transfer that would be great business, but even 200k represents a significant % of our turnover. We did well with Ojamaa and Anier, but then we seemed to stop being interested in selling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Much of the transfer value is determined by how much the player has left in their contract, what they are getting paid, and the cost of development, i.e. Compensation. The value can be driven up if the player is in demand, so clubs have to bid against each other. Selling guys with a year left on their deal to the only club that wants them isn't going to generate millions. Other clubs aren't out there to do us a favour, if they are low-balling us we can always reject it, but there's more to it than that. Also, clubs dont just rely the well society q&a on periscope or quotes in the sun to know our situation, clubs do their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I'll be honest and say that I think the Anier deal was one of the best we have done in years. Sign a guy on loan who does well, get him permanently on a free, then punt him for a decent profit in the summer when his form had ran out. If there was one winner out of Henri Anier's career, it was Motherwell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Murphy was clearly the best player at the club but McCall gave Ojaama and Law chances playing off the striker while sticking Murphy out wide where he spent a lot of time defending. The hype about Goodwillie was largely down the BBC but as Joeboy said United went all out to market him. We didn't do that with Murphy but unless McCall is building the team around him it's hard to promote him as a seven figure player. I was a big fan of Jamie Murphy but I think you'd have to say that David Goodwillie came into the Dundee Utd team as a more fully developed player. He made an impact almost straight away while It took Murphy quite a number of seasons to build up his confidence. He was also physically frailer and there was always a degree of confusion as to what his best position was - was he a forward, a winger, a midfielder? He settled into the wing left position but again it took a while for that to happen, there was no such confusion with David Goodwillie. Two more things, David Goodwillie was a full international as a Dundee Utd player, Murphy still doesn't have a cap and that effects your market value, secondly Dundee Utd got a great price for him because there will multiple big money clubs all interested in him and his signature turned into an auction. Again, that didn't happen with Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Assume we'll hear about the out of contract players within the next week. Ben Hall is the interesting one for me, the boy has potential but a development few presumably in the region of £200k wouldn't be a bad consolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I don't agree that Goodwillie was definitely a better player. Murphy was played ahead of him for the U21s. Murphy would have matched Goodwillie's goals if he had played up front all the time. Dundee United were extremely lucky that Levein was Scotland manager and that two idiots of the calibre of McCoist and Steve Kean were in position to bid against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I think Goodwillie did look a more physically complete player back then, not necessarily technically better than Murphy, but I do concede he was worth more. However, nowhere near 2 million more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I can recall Murphy and Bannan being a step above for the u21s while Goodwillie and Griffiths sat on the reason. For whatever reason, we couldn't generate the interest in Murphy, Hutchinson and Randolph that there quality deserved. All water under the bridge now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Randolph is the big one for me. Clearly an outstanding goalie, played well in TV games, good age, had a 3 year contract....we still couldn't sell him for serious dough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Birmingham couldn't sell him either. Not many goalies are sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorator Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 As far as I know there were no other clubs represented at the meeting last night. What he says in private is not what he'll say to other clubs. Jim McMahon won't be pushed around as easily as you think. think we will take whatever cash we can dave as were skint we are not playing any away friendly's as we have no spare cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Birmingham couldn't sell him either. Not many goalies are sold. That's a fair point. Ruddy was sold for 450k after his season with us though so it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Jamie Murphy was vastly undervalued by everyone during his time at Fir Park...supporters included 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 I don't think there was much If anything at all between Murphy and Goodwillie. I have been sniggered at for suggesting Murphy was better in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 No, you're right. Our transfer record has exemplary up to this point. ^^^ Bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 David Goodwillie's attitude was that he was absolutely brilliant, and United's public attitude was that they were lucky to have him. Jamie Murphy's attitude was that he was happy to be here, and the club's public attitude was that we were happy to have him. The media picked up on both of those. That's your difference in price-bracket right there...ability had relatively little to do with it, and wouldn't have unless one was spectacularly good or spectacularly bad which wasn't the case, they were much-of-a-muchness. Two people punting the exact same item on ebay: Someone who is an ebay machine will sell it for 2/3/4 times the price of some ordinary punter who's just clearing space in a cupboard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2016/05/26/trio-agree-contract-extensions/ Perhaps not the three we were hoping for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Ferguson looks like he could really develop, Moore needs another shot and Samson means we have an SPL quality keeper... On the budget that most folk are mentioning on here I'm quite happy with those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeawellfan Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Glad to have them signed up again though! Thought Ferguson played well in the Youth Cup final and is certainly someone who could grow into that center back role. If Ben Hall goes elsewhere, i'd like to see him get a run to prove himself! Craig Moore is someone who knows where the net is and will be brilliant cover for McDonald and Moult. Sampson, proven keeper in this league! Positive signings that i don't imagine would break the bank! Edited May 26, 2016 by proudtobeawellfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Samson no1 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Ross MacLean signs for another year as well. that's squeezed in on the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Not surprised by any of them, not much to read into with this at this point, I'd expect the less sexy business to be done early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Pickle Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 id be happy with Samson as #1. More reliable than Ripley and has been thought of in the Scotland fold, i dont see why folk dont like him. Good business today. With Moore signing, will that rule out the signing of the lad from Dunfermline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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