grizzlyg Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 On 2/20/2025 at 2:10 PM, wellfan said: Cammy Murray died yesterday. Following his footballing career, he became a local legend in Lanarkshire, teaching PE to generations of kids at Lanark Grammar. I was at a soccer school at Inverclyde twice in mid 80's and Cammy was one of the coaches, lovely guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Stuparevic has done his Acl and is out for the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Stuparevic has done his Acl and is out for the season He's still our player but that's a big shame as he seemed to be doing well out on loan. Hopefully he'll get a chance with us next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Mika, three hat tricks in 5 league games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 17 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Mika, three hat tricks in 5 league games It still blows my mind that Arsenal didnt give him a chance, let alone loan him out to us! It was so obvious after 2 or 3 games he was levels beyond us! Wish him all the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 58 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: It still blows my mind that Arsenal didnt give him a chance, let alone loan him out to us! It was so obvious after 2 or 3 games he was levels beyond us! Wish him all the best! Probably explains why a significant number of Gooners are seething just now. I mean, by contrast, Havertz and Martinelli? We were fortunate to have seen Mika at FP, and if that clown Dunne The Bun hadn't whacked him, we would have a much better season last year. We complain about our recruitment but what about those in charge at Arsenal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I know he wasn't a full blown Arsenal youth player, but he was in their youth set up later on. There are all sorts of complicated rules surrounding Financial Fair Play where academy player income gives you some kind of credit I believe. Maybe that's why they sold him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 10 hours ago, weeyin said: I know he wasn't a full blown Arsenal youth player, but he was in their youth set up later on. There are all sorts of complicated rules surrounding Financial Fair Play where academy player income gives you some kind of credit I believe. Maybe that's why they sold him. Possibly. But they only got £4m for him. He would cost them £40m to buy back right now. Thats mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Possibly. But they only got £4m for him. He would cost them £40m to buy back right now. Thats mental. I took a look at the rules, and it's a bit more complicated than that. Clubs are allowed to amortize an incoming transfer fee over 5 years. As youth players are considered to be "free" any profit from their sale is regarded as pure profit. That means Mika's £4 million fee can be offset against £20 million worth of incoming transfers - £4 million a year over five years. So it might not be a huge number, but still means those academy players are worth 5 times more than than their transfer fee to a club. Of course, from a footballing perspective, it looks like it was a terrible idea and Arsenal played themselves out of the title race by having no available strikers. A quick look at the Arsenal fans' opinions and they couldn't believe he was ever sold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, weeyin said: I took a look at the rules, and it's a bit more complicated than that. Clubs are allowed to amortize an incoming transfer fee over 5 years. As youth players are considered to be "free" any profit from their sale is regarded as pure profit. That means Mika's £4 million fee can be offset against £20 million worth of incoming transfers - £4 million a year over five years. So it might not be a huge number, but still means those academy players are worth 5 times more than than their transfer fee to a club. Of course, from a footballing perspective, it looks like it was a terrible idea and Arsenal played themselves out of the title race by having no available strikers. A quick look at the Arsenal fans' opinions and they couldn't believe he was ever sold. I do t understand that. What am I missing? Why is it worth 5 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I think I’ve probably said this before here, but Arteta is a prick. That’s why Mika is now with Monaco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, weeyin said: I took a look at the rules, and it's a bit more complicated than that. Clubs are allowed to amortize an incoming transfer fee over 5 years. As youth players are considered to be "free" any profit from their sale is regarded as pure profit. That means Mika's £4 million fee can be offset against £20 million worth of incoming transfers - £4 million a year over five years. So it might not be a huge number, but still means those academy players are worth 5 times more than than their transfer fee to a club. Of course, from a footballing perspective, it looks like it was a terrible idea and Arsenal played themselves out of the title race by having no available strikers. A quick look at the Arsenal fans' opinions and they couldn't believe he was ever sold. How does it work when Biereth spent most of his youth career at Fulham, having belatedly joined Arsenal to be part of their U21 (EPL2) set up? Is he regarded as an Arsenal youth development player? If so teams should just buy up 18 year olds, loan them out and then sell them on to gain the advantage you outline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 8 minutes ago, dennyc said: How does it work when Biereth spent most of his youth career at Fulham, having belatedly joined Arsenal to be part of their U21 (EPL2) set up? Is he regarded as an Arsenal youth development player? If so teams should just buy up 18 year olds, loan them out and then sell them on to gain the advantage you outline. From what I read (and it was an interpretation of the the rules, not the actual rule book), because he signed as a youngster with no fee. The Financial Fair Play is different from the UEFA development compensation, and for these transactions is focused mostly on transfer costs. So Mika was essentially bought for zero, sold for £4 million. And yes, apparently it's one of the unintended side effects of the rule and why EPL teams load up on youngsters that you never see near the first team before they are moved on for a fee. While not the only side that do it, I read an article a couple of years ago how Chelsea were taking significant advantage of the rules during their high spending Abramovich years. Signing youngsters, loaning them out, selling them on with no intention to ever play them in the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2-1 away win for Graham Alexander's Bradford City . 2nd in the league now Hopefully a claret and Amber day all round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 25 minutes ago, weeyin said: From what I read (and it was an interpretation of the the rules, not the actual rule book), because he signed as a youngster with no fee. The Financial Fair Play is different from the UEFA development compensation, and for these transactions is focused mostly on transfer costs. So Mika was essentially bought for zero, sold for £4 million. And yes, apparently it's one of the unintended side effects of the rule and why EPL teams load up on youngsters that you never see near the first team before they are moved on for a fee. While not the only side that do it, I read an article a couple of years ago how Chelsea were taking significant advantage of the rules during their high spending Abramovich years. Signing youngsters, loaning them out, selling them on with no intention to ever play them in the first team. Cheers. So basically set up to help bigger Clubs offset FFP......or bankrupt themselves hopefully. No regard for teams that have youngsters enticed away to bigger Clubs. I guess the good aspect is that Fulham who developed the boy should have benefited from a Development Fee pay out when he moved on from Arsenal ......and possibly Sturm Graz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderlips Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 10 hours ago, dennyc said: Cheers. So basically set up to help bigger Clubs offset FFP......or bankrupt themselves hopefully. No regard for teams that have youngsters enticed away to bigger Clubs. I guess the good aspect is that Fulham who developed the boy should have benefited from a Development Fee pay out when he moved on from Arsenal ......and possibly Sturm Graz? I don't think Fulham are the team you should be feeling sorry for since they're run by one of the richest people in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 An interesting article from the Herald on Jake Hastie https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24973525.hastie-storming-start-rangers-stutter-ayr-revival/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 Watching the Aberdeen v Utd game, and Wee Al is a shadow of his old self so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, weeyin said: Watching the Aberdeen v Utd game, and Wee Al is a shadow of his old self so far. hopefully Utd don't pursue him at end of season, we bring him home and get him back to his best. He'd be a big upgrade on likes of Davor and can't see Halliday playing every game for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted Tuesday at 10:17 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:17 PM Not an ex player , but 10 home wins in a row at Bradford for Graham Alexander, a club record 2 points off the top of the league , well done 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted Thursday at 06:25 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:25 PM KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM 5 minutes ago, AllyMax said: KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Maybe submitting a job application. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted Thursday at 06:44 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:44 PM 17 minutes ago, AllyMax said: KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Don't mention the... oh, too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted Thursday at 06:48 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:48 PM 1 minute ago, Electric Blues said: Don't mention the... oh, too late! Oh, completely forgot about that. A wee trial 'in' Greenock rather than a trial 'for'..... My mate sent a picture and I'm still trying to find out how he even knew who KVV was, given that he knows so little about football, i'd be surprised if he could name a team, never mind a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM 1 hour ago, AllyMax said: Oh, completely forgot about that. A wee trial 'in' Greenock rather than a trial 'for'..... My mate sent a picture and I'm still trying to find out how he even knew who KVV was, given that he knows so little about football, i'd be surprised if he could name a team, never mind a player. As much as I get why people aren't impressed by KVV people are innocent until proven guilty. He's not been through the criminal justice system yet. Robbo was charged and went to trial for allegedly assaulting his partner and was found not guilty Harry Paton was also rinsed all over the media because of allegations made by his ex partner - and that didn't go to trial I grew up with domestic violence. I'm lucky to have my mum. But one thing I won't do is brand people guilty before a verdict This is just me speaking generally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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