Neilwell86 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Alex Gorrin also a target for Blackburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Morally, the whole Cadden affair is just wrong. Karl Robinson’s comments indicate genuine surprise that Cadden is actually going to go to America. What I find a little entertaining though is his reference to Cadden being “a top championship right back”. He’s played almost every game this season in Robinson’s much loved 4231 formation and received lots of praise as a RB but I should imagine there’s plenty experts on here who thought Stephen Robinson was ruining the boys career as a RWB would disagree with him LOL https://therealefl.co.uk/2020/01/03/oxford-united-boss-blasts-departing-23-year-old/ Oxford United manager Karl Robinson has blasted Chris Cadden after he left the Kassam and returned to parent club Colombus Crew, as reported by the Oxford Mail. Cadden’s move to Oxford caused a huge amount of controversy as he’d been pursued by the U’s, but eventually opted to move to the MLS instead. When he then pitched up on loan with Robinson’s side, his former employers Motherwell were incensed. He has since made 21 appearances for the League One side, but is now set to return to the States to start his career with Colombus, a move Robinson has blasted. “At 23 and going to play in MLS, I don’t get it,” said Robinson. “Bow (Charlton boss Lee Bowyer) got criticised for Joe Aribo going to Glasgow Rangers, but I think this is ten times worse. Chris Cadden is a top Championship right back and will grow with this club. You don’t know where his end game is, he’s still really young.” He then claimed his attitude was only because he ‘cares’ for his former loan star. “Maybe I’m being harsh, but it’s only because I care for the boy,” he added. Cadden began his career with Motherwell and played 139 games for them before his controversial move. He’s also represented Scotland at Under 21 level, as well as boasting three caps for the senior side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 12:16 PM, Frazzie said: Not sure how you can say we’ve not been shafted when we developed the guy for a decade and a team whose country he has never even visited is currently holding out to be given £1m for him. That stinks. We haven't been shafted because we'll get a development fee for him (albeit later than is normally the case). Like I said about Turnbull, the main point of our academy is to develop players we could never afford to buy. We got over 100 first team games from Cadden, so it's not like a Hastie situation where he buggered off after a few good games. Freedom of Contract and the Bosman situation means that, inevitably, ourselves and all other clubs will sometimes lose players for free - or minimal fees - when they choose not to re-sign. That isn't the player's fault - but the whole Bosman debate is a much wider discussion. (And just wait and see what happens once the Brexit debacle is complete and freedom of movement for EU players disappears.) We have taken advantage of transfer rules to bring in loads of players for free over the years (and sold some of them on for a profit). So we can't complain too much when one leaves us at the end of their contract. Likewise, I'd be quite happy if Turnbull played for us for another 3 or 4 seasons and walked away after that. As a fan I get more value from watching our players play for us than I do from a sell-on fee between 2 English League One clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I understand about Bosmans and freedom of contract, but this isn’t a simple free transfer. Columbus Crew are asking Oxford for £1m for him- if they decided to pay that, he’d be moving directly from us to them but the cash is going somewhere else entirely. That’s just plainly not right. I don’t blame either of the teams or the player who have all shafted us- they’re just exploiting a loophole that shouldn’t exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Frazzie said: I understand about Bosmans and freedom of contract, but this isn’t a simple free transfer. Columbus Crew are asking Oxford for £1m for him- if they decided to pay that, he’d be moving directly from us to them but the cash is going somewhere else entirely. That’s just plainly not right. I don’t blame either of the teams or the player who have all shafted us- they’re just exploiting a loophole that shouldn’t exist. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 hours ago, weeyin said: We haven't been shafted because we'll get a development fee for him (albeit later than is normally the case)........Freedom of Contract and the Bosman situation means that, inevitably, ourselves and all other clubs will sometimes lose players for free - or minimal fees - when they choose not to re-sign. That isn't the player's fault - but the whole Bosman debate is a much wider discussion. I agree with Frazzie over this. A loophole is being exploited. As far as Bosman is concerned, the effect on clubs has not been equal. In general larger clubs have benefitted and smaller clubs have lost out. Larger clubs can afford to hand out 3 or 4 year contracts, whereas smaller clubs can't. Its very unusual for large clubs to lose their good players for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I agree with Frazzie over this. A loophole is being exploited. As far as Bosman is concerned, the effect on clubs has not been equal. In general larger clubs have benefitted and smaller clubs have lost out. Larger clubs can afford to hand out 3 or 4 year contracts, whereas smaller clubs can't. Its very unusual for large clubs to lose their good players for nothing. It's only being exploited if they get away with it. Apart from the delay in payment, there is no suggestion that we won't end up receiving what we are due. 'Flow was quite adamant at the AGM that we will get paid - but because we have to go through the process (and due to the uniqueness of the situation), it might take a year or two. It's unfortunate we are having to set the precedent, but it's unlikely FIFA will want to open the floodgates to this kind of transfer finagling as it could hurt their wealthier members. If we do end up getting screwed I'll be the first to complain, but we're not at that stage yet. I also won't complain too loudly, as I can recall many players we have picked up using the rules to our advantage - Chris Porter being a prime example, thanks to the cross border rules at the time that meant we got him for free, and we sold him back down south for £400k. (Whereas Oldham would have received a wadge of cash if he signed directly for another English club). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 On a different note, no yellow card yet for Gorrin in the Oxford v Hartlepool FA Cup tie, while Fraser Kerr was booked just before half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Conor ripley had an absolute nightmare today for Preston first letting the ball under his arms,second coming out 30 yards to clear the ball and passes it straight to the striker and third giving away a penaltySent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Ross said: Conor ripley had an absolute nightmare today for Preston first letting the ball under his arms,second coming out 30 yards to clear the ball and passes it straight to the striker and third giving away a penalty Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Watched that on MOTD, unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 John Ruddy in goals for Wolves yesterday v Man United, did not have a lot to do but still looks a class act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:07 PM, steelboy said: No one is paying a million for Cadden. Seems like Oxford want to , according to the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51004914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Seems like Oxford want to , according to the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51004914 Prepare for an undisclosed fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 If that deal goes through then I'm sure will get some increased scrutiny over and above what is already happening with the club/MLS/FIFA. Cadden going to MLS for a nil/minimal fee, then, on loan to Oxford straight away, which everybody thought would turn into a cheap way to get him permanently is one thing. If it turns out Oxford pay a million quid for the player then that's something else completely.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu92 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Seems too ridiculous to happen, was his compensation fee not supposed to be circa 600k had he gone down south straight from us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Stu92 said: Seems too ridiculous to happen, was his compensation fee not supposed to be circa 600k had he gone down south straight from us? I seem to recall that £600k was mentioned in some context but Oxford couldn't afford that. Maybe they've suddenly come into some cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 It would seem crazy that Oxford would refuse to pay £600k for Cadden then 6 months later be willing to pay £1m for him. However, if they did, you would think it would strengthen the clubs position in chasing Columbus for the money due to us. Be interesting to see how this pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Darren Randolph moving back to West Ham for £4 million. In his original move from West Ham to Middlesbrough, he was sold for £5 million. Still slightly annoying that when he played for us nobody wanted to buy him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Lot of cash for a back up or is fabianski leaving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: It would seem crazy that Oxford would refuse to pay £600k for Cadden then 6 months later be willing to pay £1m for him. However, if they did, you would think it would strengthen the clubs position in chasing Columbus for the money due to us. Be interesting to see how this pans out. I would imagine that because he seems to have fitted right into their team, played very well by all accounts and now has a good amount of games under his belt that they now think he is worth the £1m ? As you say it will be interesting if this development influences FIFA's take on the whole thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Lot of cash for a back up or is fabianski leaving? Reports say backup, but you never know with these things. The one sure thing is that they are ditching their current backup, Roberto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Fabianski is pish, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Played very well for hammers so far this season. Not sure how he will be now he’s just back from injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, santheman said: I would imagine that because he seems to have fitted right into their team, played very well by all accounts and now has a good amount of games under his belt that they now think he is worth the £1m ? As you say it will be interesting if this development influences FIFA's take on the whole thing. Its essentially been a long trial! Cloumbus sign him knowing they can screw us out the money, give him to Ocford for 6 months to see if he is worth the £600k then do the deal. If not, they still have a Scottish International for a pittance. And there is absolutely fucking no chance Cadden was clueless to the situation. Not that I have a problem with a players self interest, just save the crocodile tears in the paper and have the stones to admit you are a cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Most footballers would struggle to find their local Nandos without a satnav, so I'd be surprised if Cadden was clued up on some attempted scam. An agent, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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