gilmour Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 That's also been rebuffed... I did raise my eyebrows at it but then saw it was the from the Scotsman rather than the other rags so was more inclined to believe it. More fool me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 The thing that amazes me is that Sky (or whoever else) seem to have sources, presumably the agents involved, who take time out of negotiations to divulge sensitive business dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 I agree with you that we need another central defender as things stand and that McHugh should stay in midfield. However if Heneghan leaves that would leave us needing two central defenders. If two suitable players aren't available but we can find one defender and a midfielder good enough to take McHugh's place in midfield, it's a solution I could live with. I stress that I'd prefer McHugh to stay in midfield but sometimes you need to adapt to the situation you find yourself in and McHugh at the end of last season certainly showed himself a more than adequate central defender... You keep on punting this narrative about McHugh to centre half. Why are you so sure that a) McHugh sees that as a viable option in a time other than when necessity demands it b) He may prefer centre mid. c) Robinson values his contribution in defence over central midfield? Is it purely because he played there for half a dozen games last year and didn't make an arse of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 McHugh played centre half for Bradford and Plymouth before moving into midfield. I think he would be disappointed to go back there though. You can see him improving enough to play centre mid for a Championship team but he's too small to play centre half at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Genuine question, but how do so many of us know as a fact that the development fee for Chris Cadden would be £600k? Not being snide, just curious. Having said that, I think we could get close to a milly for him if we sell him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 You keep on punting this narrative about McHugh to centre half. Why are you so sure that a) McHugh sees that as a viable option in a time other than when necessity demands it b) He may prefer centre mid. c) Robinson values his contribution in defence over central midfield? Is it purely because he played there for half a dozen games last year and didn't make an arse of it? He only converted to midfield in his last season at Plymouth. Prior to that, he played as a defender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 It's based on robinson quoting that figure in an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Liam Grimshaw story seems to be growing now with PNS Fans tweeting that he is on his way up here. As well as the media. Just seen a tweet suggesting Bristol Rovers have agreed a deal and Heneghan is heading down for medical and talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonicg Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 In fairness, anytime I've seen McHugh this season in midfield he more often than not finds an opposition player with his passes. I really rate the guy and hope he keeps getting better in the midfield role but based on his performances so far his season he's looked better at centre half. So if needs must and we lost Heneghan then I'd be comfortable with him moving there. After all, it might allow young Campbell to start more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Liam Grimshaw story seems to be growing now with PNS Fans tweeting that he is on his way up here. As well as the media.In these days of forums and social media, never sure if it's a chicken and egg situation. Some Preston fans read it on here or twitter and start to post it and then Motherwell fans start to post that the story is being rumoured by Preston fans. Time will tell. Certainly fits the description of a versatile signing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don_keyride Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 At least Grimshaw satisfies the former player signing requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just seen a tweet suggesting Bristol Rovers have agreed a deal and Heneghan is heading down for medical and talks.Just saw the same tweet. Think it's Blackburn Rovers (different BRFC?) and have seen £500k quoted by a Chester fan miffed that they don't have a sell on. If true, good business by us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Genuine question, but how do so many of us know as a fact that the development fee for Chris Cadden would be £600k? Not being snide, just curious. Having said that, I think we could get close to a milly for him if we sell him today. When a player moves to England, there is a fairly complicated formula used to establish the development fee owed by the club that signs him. It's based on a few things, including how many years he spent at the parent club and what division the new club play in. The longer the player has been at the parent club and the higher the division the signing club play in, the bigger the development fee. So it's an educated guess on how much we can get for him, but we have Lee Erwin as a benchmark, so it's a pretty reasonable guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Genuine question, but how do so many of us know as a fact that the development fee for Chris Cadden would be £600k? Not being snide, just curious. Having said that, I think we could get close to a milly for him if we sell him today. There's a formula for cross border compensation for u23s and he's 22 when his contract ends. There are different categories of club which involve different levels of compensation. The only problem is if you end up with a situation like Craig Sibbald where no one wants to pay the compensation but the player wants to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just saw the same tweet. Think it's Blackburn Rovers (different BRFC?) and have seen £500k quoted by a Chester fan miffed that they don't have a sell on. If true, good business by us... So it is, getting my B's mixed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Genuine question, but how do so many of us know as a fact that the development fee for Chris Cadden would be £600k? Not being snide, just curious. Having said that, I think we could get close to a milly for him if we sell him today. We don't know we will get 600k that's for sure. As weeyin suggests it's based on a formula which includes a number of factors namely how many years at the club and what club he moves to. If he moves to a club like Leeds, like Lee Erwin did, then we know roughly what the combo would be e.g. Just over £500k. Any leagues below that then we won't get near that value I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 We don't know we will get 600k that's for sure. As weeyin suggests it's based on a formula which includes a number of factors namely how many years at the club and what club he moves to. If he moves to a club like Leeds, like Lee Erwin did, then we know roughly what the combo would be e.g. Just over £500k. Any leagues below that then we won't get near that value I'm afraid. It can still be worked out for League One. All the figures are on the UEFA website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 There's a formula for cross border compensation for u23s and he's 22 when his contract ends. There are different categories of club which involve different levels of compensation. The only problem is if you end up with a situation like Craig Sibbald where no one wants to pay the compensation but the player wants to leave. Another very good point made above regarding the limitations of competnsation or development fees. A player could be frozen out of football, or forced to sign a new contract to get them beyond 23 against their wishes, to move from their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 It can still be worked out for League One. All the figures are on the UEFA website. I know it is but can't be arsed working it out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplewell Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Johnson's move is now official, BBC saying "Undisclosed" fee though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSmith Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Would hope we could put some of that Marvin money to good use. Wouldn't think Oxford would be willing to pay what we want for Cadden but I do hope he stays past this window at least. Edited August 31, 2017 by CSmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Interesting stuff. Sounds like it's a wee bit of a gamble, especially if something like this happens... The only problem is if you end up with a situation like Craig Sibbald where no one wants to pay the compensation but the player wants to leave. I'd be leaning towards "sell" as opposed to "wait and see", providing the bid is decent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Would hope we could put some of that Marvin money to good use. Wouldn't think Oxford would be willing to pay what we want for Cadden but I do hope he stays past this window at least. Think most of that money will go to our previous benefactors to pay off our loans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellEast Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 If the numbers are correct and we have pocketed upwards of £1M for Marvin then that's a terrific bit of business by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 If the numbers are correct and we have pocketed upwards of £1M for Marvin then that's a terrific bit of business by the club. Burrows out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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