Yabba's Turd Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We're on to Dundee...While we have your attention, there may be a forum upgrade on the way this week, it should happen overnight between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Things will look a little different initially and the good old shoutbox may disappear for a while, the new forum software is rock solid and we are overdue an upgrade. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Saturday's game at Dens Park will be very different to our recent cup game there. With a couple of new players Dundee will be a different proposition although I suspect they'll be just as cynical. A draw will represent a decent outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I said a while back that from our 4 games in February v St Johnstone, Patrick, Killie and Dundee that we should be looking to take a minimum of 7 points. Were in 4 at the moment so its still achievable. Anything less than 7 and its a really poor haul v our peer group. Defeat here and Id say we were back in the mix at the bottom. Hopefully Campbell and Kipre are back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just this ; Do not lose this game ,simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I'm going with this! Carson Cadden Kipre Aldred Dunne Tait McHugh Campbell Tanner Main Bowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ciftci has to start just for the wind-up factor alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We carried a bit of luck against Dundee this season. The match at Fir Park we were poor and only got a draw due to a penalty. In the previous league match Dundee had a good goal disallowed that allowed us to win the match and in the Cup we've won with a goalkeeper howler and an OG. Makes you wonder with all the talk of 'things evening out'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellowell Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 That only makes up for the bad luck previously against Dundee last minute invisible penalty and 2 goals over line not given so due them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Superwell Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We've won 2 out of 2 at Dens park this season, this weekend it becomes 3, Kipre and Campbell should be back involved which will make us stronger and I fully fancy us to secure the 3 points on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We carried a bit of luck against Dundee this season. The match at Fir Park we were poor and only got a draw due to a penalty. In the previous league match Dundee had a good goal disallowed that allowed us to win the match and in the Cup we've won with a goalkeeper howler and an OG. Makes you wonder with all the talk of 'things evening out'. A myth that Dundee had a good goal disallowed - play had stopped as the referee had already blown the whistle from our vantage point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We carried a bit of luck against Dundee this season. The match at Fir Park we were poor and only got a draw due to a penalty. In the previous league match Dundee had a good goal disallowed that allowed us to win the match and in the Cup we've won with a goalkeeper howler and an OG. Makes you wonder with all the talk of 'things evening out'. We had a good goal chopped off in the cup game and played them off the park for the majority of the league game at Dens. We had some luck in the second half at Fir Park but not as much as they had playing against 10 men four of whom were visibly injured. We have their number this season and we should be looking for three points here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We carried a bit of luck against Dundee this season. The match at Fir Park we were poor and only got a draw due to a penalty. In the previous league match Dundee had a good goal disallowed that allowed us to win the match and in the Cup we've won with a goalkeeper howler and an OG. Makes you wonder with all the talk of 'things evening out'. In the match at Fir Park, the penalty was correctly awarded when O'Hara brought down Kipre. I don't call that good luck. O'Hara made a slightly rash challenge and rightly got penalised for it. In the same game Andy Rose was incorrectly yellow carded for diving; I term that bad luck. In the previous league game at Dens, the referee had already blown and play stopped before the Dundee player put the ball in the net. As far as the recent cup encounter goes, Tanner did well to get his shot on target and the keeper made a blunder, just plain poor goalkeeping not good luck for us. Aldred's goal was wrongly chopped off; that was bad luck. For our second goal Main did well to harry the defender. The defender, Holt I think, made a blunder and Parrish didn't look clever either. Again examples of rank poor defending, not luck. Had Holt aimed his header outwith the posts and the ball had taken a random and awkward bounce at the last minute and landed in the net, I would have termed that bad luck. Dundee were very fortunate not to pick up 2 red cards and yes we should have lost Ciftci to one. I also want to reassure Al B that I don't maintain a spreadsheet going back 48 years or whatever detailing every single perceived injustice or instance of bad luck; but I can't speak for other posters. I simply look back over a season or half season and take an overall view. Last season was memorable for not being awarded goals when the ball had the crossed the line and several wrong offside decisions, and this season, so far, for wrongly given/not given penalties. Do many posters really believe that our luck against Rangers & Celtic has evened itself out over the years? Before I finish I'll readily admit that on some occasions we do benefit from good luck, but they are in the minority. Apologies for wandering off topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Before I finish I'll readily admit that on some occasions we do benefit from good luck, but they are in the minority. And just like most drivers thinking they're better than average, I'd wager most fans would say the same about their team's luck.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Does luck exist? That's the real question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Does luck exist? That's the real question. You're being very existentialist, mon vieux, but that's an excellent question. When I think of that and Kmcalpin's query re decisions against us with the Ugly Sisters evening out over the years, I always return to Bob Crampsey's (Brain of Britain and footballing intellectual) retort to those who questioned if there was bias towards the Old Firm. Remember, he had been watching our game weekly since the 40s. He was quite unequivocal that bias has always existed towards the OF and thought any suggestion to the contrary ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 You're being very existentialist, mon vieux, but that's an excellent question. When I think of that and Kmcalpin's query re decisions against us with the Ugly Sisters evening out over the years, I always return to Bob Crampsey's (Brain of Britain and footballing intellectual) retort to those who questioned if there was bias towards the Old Firm. Remember, he had been watching our game weekly since the 40s. He was quite unequivocal that bias has always existed towards the OF and thought any suggestion to the contrary ridiculous. So its all down to bias - and refs are biased shits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I also want to reassure Al B that I don't maintain a spreadsheet going back 48 years or whatever detailing every single perceived injustice or instance of bad luck; We all know that's not the case... Spreadsheet daft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superwell87 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2-0 to the 'Well. Main and Tanner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 1 win will see us safe and we can then plan for next season also, and focus on cup. Killie look like getn 6th. We will also play a part in who goes down and hopefully finish 7th. Edited February 23, 2018 by robsterwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, robsterwood said: 1 win will see us safe and we can then plan for next season also, and focus on cup. Killie look like getn 6th. We will also play a part in who goes down and hopefully finish 7th. I would say at least 2 or 3 wins to ensure safety the magic number always seems to be at least 40 points going on previous seasons, I don't think any team has gone down with that total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoojy Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Since the play-offs were introduced, the team in 11th has finished with 35 or 36 points so a couple of wins should see us OK. Especially if one of those is against Accies. Also, the game is on Alba, as live, 6pm & 10.55pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, scoojy said: Since the play-offs were introduced, the team in 11th has finished with 35 or 36 points so a couple of wins should see us OK. Especially if one of those is against Accies. Also, the game is on Alba, as live, 6pm & 10.55pm Here you go, 11th place over the past 10 seasons: 16/17 - 11th: 35 pts 15/16 - 11th : 36 pts 14/15 - 11th: 36 pts 13/14 - 11th: 35 pts 12/13 - 11th: 41 pts 11/12 - 11th: 33 pts 10/11 - 11th: 33 pts 09/10 - 11th: 33 pts 08/09 - 11th: 37 pts 07/08 - 11th: 40 pts The only real anomalies there are 12/13 and 07/08 which were Dundee's Club 12 season and Gretna's swansong. Remove those as outliers and you're looking at 11th spot being on average 34.75 points so realistically 38 points or above is likely to be guaranteed as finishing above 11th in a normal season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Love the new steelmenonline set up. We're Dundee's bogey team. We need a win here 1 to keep us safe. 2 to get some confidence for next Sunday's Hearts game. Think we'll get the 3 points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 hours ago, capt_oats said: Here you go, 11th place over the past 10 seasons: 16/17 - 11th: 35 pts 15/16 - 11th : 36 pts 14/15 - 11th: 36 pts 13/14 - 11th: 35 pts 12/13 - 11th: 41 pts 11/12 - 11th: 33 pts 10/11 - 11th: 33 pts 09/10 - 11th: 33 pts 08/09 - 11th: 37 pts 07/08 - 11th: 40 pts The only real anomalies there are 12/13 and 07/08 which were Dundee's Club 12 season and Gretna's swansong. Remove those as outliers and you're looking at 11th spot being on average 34.75 points so realistically 38 points or above is likely to be guaranteed as finishing above 11th in a normal season. 38 points you say? So beat Dundee tomorrow and Aberdeen midweek and we're home and dry - sounds easy when you say it like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukemfc1 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Any spare seats on buses for tomorrow? Got let down last minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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