Bullying claim

[Yabba's Turd]

Still unsure why current employers should have anything to add to former employer/employee accusations.
Some folk just like to stir shit then throw it at the club.

[The African]

The stance taken by the club and the manager is the correct one. At the moment, all we have is an allegation. If and when any of the facts concerned in this allegation are proven is when  some action and comment would be required.

[GazzyB]

Gary Neville on Twitter complaining at Robinson's comments about the budget in the National League, not a great week publicly for the gaffer. 

[weeyin]

8 minutes ago, GazzyB said:

Gary Neville on Twitter complaining at Robinson's comments about the budget in the National League, not a great week publicly for the gaffer. 

Neville needs to get off Twitter.  He's already had one Twitter spat with the Accrington owner who attacked him over the Rooney deal with "Who’s place in the football league is Gary Neville going to steal with this p**s take.” and "What’s your budget Gary? You’re buying your way in, that’s the word on the street.”

That's why he's on the defensive. 

[CSmith]

11 minutes ago, GazzyB said:

Gary Neville on Twitter complaining at Robinson's comments about the budget in the National League, not a great week publicly for the gaffer. 

Personally think Neville has just reacted to the rather negative headline of the article and not the full thing. Robinson actually has some rather complimentary things to say about Salford if he had taken the time to read the article 

[weeyin]

15 minutes ago, CSmith said:

Personally think Neville has just reacted to the rather negative headline of the article and not the full thing. Robinson actually has some rather complimentary things to say about Salford if he had taken the time to read the article 

That's what Twitter's all about. Manufactured outrage over clickbait headlines.

I'm seething just thinking about it.

[GazzyB]

Yeah I quite like Neville, but he's having a mare recently.

[Inthebasement]

Neville's response is self evidently out out of step with Robinson's comments and he should publically apologise to our manager and club. No chance sadly.

[Kmcalpin]

9 hours ago, GazzyB said:

 not a great week publicly for the gaffer. 

or Gary Neville it would seem; been "attacked" verbally by 3 different parties. 

[Wellfan1984]

2 hours ago, GazzyB said:

Yeah I quite like Neville, but he's having a mare recently.

Neville has proven over the last few weeks he's an idiot.  1. From claiming a goalkeeper should save every shot 2. Being in a perma rage he hits out at a guy showing praise to a his club and manager.

 

Lets also note etiquette would dictate that Neville could never question someone's football management

[superward]

On the bullying claims - Robinson and the club are dealing with it absolutely spot on for me. Take the fact it was off the back of the suicide awareness video away.  It's a claim made on Twitter by a former player and that's all there is in the public domain to date. They should be silent until it's discussed further behind closed doors with the relevant parties (i.e. Robinson, Oldham, the player). If and when it's appropriate should any sort of public response be made.

As for Neville - Again it's a Twitter. It's a response to a BBC story. He doesn't actually mention Robinson. I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist about it and I'm sure Robinson/the club aren't either. Calls for a public apology are well off the mark I think.

[chewiechaval]

A huge bit of hypocrisy from Neville. He has discussed players, teams and managers for years. While his own etiquette rules would mean, he should not be doing it or declaring a conflict of interest when in the media.

[rinkydink]

Robinson blootering the ball at his own player last night probably wasn’t the smartest thing he could have done after the events of last week! 

[Bert the Sailor]

Josh Law coming to Robinson’s defence:

FORMER Motherwell and Oldham player Josh Law has defended his old manager Stephen Robinson after accusations of bullying were made against the Fir Park boss.

Danny Byrnes, a 21-year-old footballer who played under Robinson at Oldham, accused the Northern Irishman of victimising him over a period of months and forcing him out of the Boundary Park club in a Twitter post last week, responding to a suicide awareness video featuring Robinson that Motherwell had earlier released.

Law, who was in the same squad as Byrnes in the 2016/17 season, was shocked when he saw the post from his former teammate and finds it hard to reconcile the accusations with the man he worked under at both Motherwell and Oldham.

“I couldn’t have enjoyed working under Stephen more to be honest,” Law said. “I think he’s a thoroughly decent man and a good bloke.

“I saw the tweet and I thought it was a bit strange, because I couldn’t really see that myself.

“I was at the club at the same time as Danny and the manager was there, and nothing was said. There was certainly no talk from the players at the time or himself about that sort of stuff. It was a surprise to me to be honest.

“It would surprise me massively from my experience with him. He was a family man, and he was a good bloke as far as I’m concerned.

“I’ve never really heard anyone speaking badly of him, so it was quite strange.”

Law has experienced his fair share of rejection as a footballer, and he has learned not to take it personally when a manager doesn’t rate him or deems him surplus to requirements at a club.

And he didn’t see any evidence while at Oldham that Robinson treated any players within his squad any differently from the rest, whether they were part of his plans or not.

“At the end of the day, it’s football, and there’s people leaving clubs all the time if the manager doesn’t fancy them as a player,” he said.

“I think that’s every day in football to be honest. I’ve been there myself, when the manager doesn’t want you and wants to get you out by offering you a pay up, and it’s horrible. But it’s part of the business. It’s just about keeping your head down and if anything comes up, it comes up.

“It’s different for me because I’ve got a family and I’ve got to look after them, and as you get older, you learn that kind of thing.

“I certainly didn’t see him in doing double sessions when nobody else was in, which a lot of managers can do. They can make your life hell. But I certainly never saw anything like that going on.

“It was probably a case of Danny being in a bad place at the time with his father unfortunately being ill, as he said in the tweet, and he was under stress. He might regret that tweet, I’m not sure, but it’s bad for that to come out for Stephen as well.

“it’s obviously something he doesn’t need and is quite unnecessary.”

Robinson was only in charge of Oldham from July 2016 until January 2017, when he was sacked with the club languishing near the foot of League One. But Law isn’t surprised to see that he has gone on to have the success he has at Motherwell since.

“You could see everything he was trying to do at Oldham and he had his hands tied a little bit,” he said. “I think there was something like 20 new players that he had to bring in.

“I think we were starting to turn the corner, but in football now, it is very rare that you get the time and he didn’t there.

“All of us could see that his ideas were great though and his knowledge of the game was brilliant. We enjoyed working with him, it was just maybe the wrong club at the wrong time.”

Law, for his part, looks back on his own time at Motherwell fondly, even if he didn’t quite manage to live up to the highs of his two-goal debut in a Europa League qualifier against Icelandic side Stjarnan in 2014.

“They thought they were getting a 20-goal a season man,” he said. “But I thoroughly enjoyed it, I loved my time up there.

“I came home for personal reasons, but I would recommend it to anyone. It’s a great club.”

[stuwell]

Good on him for sticking his head above the parapet and defending an ex manager

[steelboy]

Law is back in the National League North aka his level.

McCall trying to turn him into a number ten was mental. Between signing him and Twardzik he must have been drinking meths that summer.

[supermarv]

46 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Law is back in the National League North aka his level.

McCall trying to turn him into a number ten was mental. Between signing him and Twardzik he must have been drinking meths that summer.

Must disagree with you there saying that’s his level, thought he had was a decent player at RB at the time nowhere near the standards of Tait and others. And Twardzik was actually a no bad keeper aswell when he played I remember the 2-0 Celtic game he was outstanding and was part of the team that won 6 on the bounce if I remember correctly.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, supermarv said:

Must disagree with you there saying that’s his level, thought he had was a decent player at RB at the time nowhere near the standards of Tait and others. And Twardzik was actually a no bad keeper aswell when he played I remember the 2-0 Celtic game he was outstanding and was part of the team that won 6 on the bounce if I remember correctly.

He also let the ball fly directly over his head on multiple occasions. It's a no from me.

Law was alright though, far from the worst we've had, miles from the best.

[wellowell]

[wellowell]

Neville predicts too 3 based on budgets just 2 days after saying Robbo no etiquette for mentioning other teams budget just shows what a prick he is .

[Goggles & Flippers]

Not wanting to rain on your parade there Sherlock ..... you may want to review the dates on those posts.

Otherwise we're in the Matrix or Micheal J Fox is my da

[wellowell]

Yea just noticed that but he’s  still a hypocrite as attacking someone fir doing exactly same as he has done previously so that was main point I was trying to make .

[joewarkfanclub]

8 hours ago, Bert the Sailor said:

Josh Law coming to Robinson’s defence:

FORMER Motherwell and Oldham player Josh Law has defended his old manager Stephen Robinson after accusations of bullying were made against the Fir Park boss.

Danny Byrnes, a 21-year-old footballer who played under Robinson at Oldham, accused the Northern Irishman of victimising him over a period of months and forcing him out of the Boundary Park club in a Twitter post last week, responding to a suicide awareness video featuring Robinson that Motherwell had earlier released.

Law, who was in the same squad as Byrnes in the 2016/17 season, was shocked when he saw the post from his former teammate and finds it hard to reconcile the accusations with the man he worked under at both Motherwell and Oldham.

“I couldn’t have enjoyed working under Stephen more to be honest,” Law said. “I think he’s a thoroughly decent man and a good bloke.

“I saw the tweet and I thought it was a bit strange, because I couldn’t really see that myself.

“I was at the club at the same time as Danny and the manager was there, and nothing was said. There was certainly no talk from the players at the time or himself about that sort of stuff. It was a surprise to me to be honest.

“It would surprise me massively from my experience with him. He was a family man, and he was a good bloke as far as I’m concerned.

“I’ve never really heard anyone speaking badly of him, so it was quite strange.”

Law has experienced his fair share of rejection as a footballer, and he has learned not to take it personally when a manager doesn’t rate him or deems him surplus to requirements at a club.

And he didn’t see any evidence while at Oldham that Robinson treated any players within his squad any differently from the rest, whether they were part of his plans or not.

“At the end of the day, it’s football, and there’s people leaving clubs all the time if the manager doesn’t fancy them as a player,” he said.

“I think that’s every day in football to be honest. I’ve been there myself, when the manager doesn’t want you and wants to get you out by offering you a pay up, and it’s horrible. But it’s part of the business. It’s just about keeping your head down and if anything comes up, it comes up.

“It’s different for me because I’ve got a family and I’ve got to look after them, and as you get older, you learn that kind of thing.

“I certainly didn’t see him in doing double sessions when nobody else was in, which a lot of managers can do. They can make your life hell. But I certainly never saw anything like that going on.

“It was probably a case of Danny being in a bad place at the time with his father unfortunately being ill, as he said in the tweet, and he was under stress. He might regret that tweet, I’m not sure, but it’s bad for that to come out for Stephen as well.

“it’s obviously something he doesn’t need and is quite unnecessary.”

Robinson was only in charge of Oldham from July 2016 until January 2017, when he was sacked with the club languishing near the foot of League One. But Law isn’t surprised to see that he has gone on to have the success he has at Motherwell since.

“You could see everything he was trying to do at Oldham and he had his hands tied a little bit,” he said. “I think there was something like 20 new players that he had to bring in.

“I think we were starting to turn the corner, but in football now, it is very rare that you get the time and he didn’t there.

“All of us could see that his ideas were great though and his knowledge of the game was brilliant. We enjoyed working with him, it was just maybe the wrong club at the wrong time.”

Law, for his part, looks back on his own time at Motherwell fondly, even if he didn’t quite manage to live up to the highs of his two-goal debut in a Europa League qualifier against Icelandic side Stjarnan in 2014.

“They thought they were getting a 20-goal a season man,” he said. “But I thoroughly enjoyed it, I loved my time up there.

“I came home for personal reasons, but I would recommend it to anyone. It’s a great club.”

 Certainly gives a different perspective to the matter.

Laws experience of our manager appears to be more in line with our own, than that of original tweets.

Of course who is to say which version of events is correct. I suspect the truth may lie somewhere in between.

[numpty]

52 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

 Certainly gives a different perspective to the matter.

Laws experience of our manager appears to be more in line with our own, than that of original tweets.

It does, but of course any kind of abuser is often perfectly charming to and around the people he or she isn't abusing, so other people saying "he's not a bully cos I never seen him do it" doesn't in itself make it any more or less likely that it happened.

[Clackscat]

It does, but of course any kind of abuser is often perfectly charming to and around the people he or she isn't abusing, so other people saying "he's not a bully cos I never seen him do it" doesn't in itself make it any more or less likely that it happened.

Understand where you are coming from but in a dressing room scenario where everyone knows whats going on that is highly unlikely. If a player was being singled out it would become obvious. Also Josh has nothing to gain from commenting.

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