wunderwell Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Congratulations to the club for Scott’s contract extension. Getting the talented kids on these and sold will mean I have a team to support for many more years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 The fact that any team in world football is paying £1.5 million for a 19 year old striker with half a dozen professional goals to his name is crazy. However that is the crazy world we live in. Football transfer fees are obscene, so relatively speaking £1.5 million for James Scott becomes a issue for discussion and debate. My opinion is that this is a great piece of business by the club. Four league goals is not prolific. With a fit Christopher Long it is debatable if Scott would be a first team starter week in week out. I understand the argument about potential but potential can be fulfilled or it can fizzle out. I think unfortunately we are a club that cannot indulge in the luxury of waiting to find out when these offers come along. The bigger picture ( that the likes of Steelboy will refuse to admit) is that we should be celebrating the fact that we are in this position in the first place. The club and Robinson himself should be congratulated for producing and nurturing these players. Scott, Turnbull, Campbell, Cadden etc. This is a fantastic return. What other Scottish club is producing this young talent at the moment? We should be celebrating this success. Let's enjoy watching Scott develop at Hull (if he does) and hope that the club can make good use of the £1.5 million (a considerable amount of money) to develop the new young talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1991 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 For me the fee is brilliant for us. I think he was decent but not the most exciting youngster I have saw. Look at what we got for Murphy, yes players are valued by ability but also length of contract just look at Hastie and Cadden. This was the time to sell James and I wish him all the best but to be honest I think it's a great deal for our club so well done to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 hours ago, steelboy said: I didn't think we should sack Robinson over the Oldham player but that we should ensure no one was behaving like that at Fir Park. There is no point in being in denial that we are likely to be looking for a new manager before the end of the season. Give your head a wobble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Yorkyred said: Taken from Pie and Bovril. Now the dust has settled on the (unexpected) Deadline Day big cash prize event, I had posted a variation of this around the time of The Magnificent David Turnbull Transfer Saga in the summer that's sort of worth updating. Since Hutchison took over (30th Jan 2015) and in turn we became fan-owned we've seen these reported fees (a pinch of salt should obvs be taken): 19/20 - James Scott (Hull City) - £1.5m - Transfer 19/20 - Reece McAlear (Norwich City) - £250k - Transfer 19/20 - Jake Hastie (Rangers) £300k - Development Compensation 19/20 - Stuart McKinstry (Leeds United) - £400k* - Transfer 18/19 - Ryan Bowman (Exeter City) - £30k - Transfer 18/19 - Cedric Kipré (Wigan) - c.£1m - Transfer 17/18 - Louis Moult (Preston North End) - £500k - Transfer 17/18 - Ben Heneghan (Sheffield United) - £350k-ish - Transfer 16/17 - Marvin Johnson (Oxford United) - £750k-ish - Transfer 16/17 - Stephen Pearson (Atletico Kolkata) - £100k - Transfer 16/17 - Ben Hall (Brighton) - £210k - Development Compensation 14/15 - Lee Erwin (Leeds United) - £500k - Development Compensation = £5.89m That obviously omits anything that may be due from Chris Cadden shafting us and I've also seen mention of Kyle Semple to Rangers for about £50k but he was still listed as a Motherwell player in the last Scotland u16s squad so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. During McCall's entire tenure (30 December 2010 - 2nd November 2014) these players left: 10/11 - Mark Reynolds (Sheffield Wednesday) - £100k 11/12 - John Sutton (Hearts) - free 12/13 - Steve Jennings (Coventry City) - free 12/13 - Jamie Murphy (Sheffield United) - £100k 12/13 - Nicky Law (Rangers) - free 13/14 - Darren Randolph (Birminham) - free 13/14 - Chris Humphrey (Preston North End) - free 13/14 - Henrik Ojamaa - (Legia Warsaw) - £300k 13/14 - Michael Higdon - (NEC Nijmegen) - free 13/14 - Tom Hateley - (Tranmere Rovers) - free 14/15 - Shaun Hutchinson (Fulham) - free 14/15 - Henri Anier (Erzgebirge Aue) - £300k Total: £800k. This is a great post, and while maybe not 100% verified, there cant be much missing there. We must have got something for robbie leitch? Sell on for johnson? Not to mention how the numbers would reflect had the turnbull deal gone through. Nevertheless it shows that were going in the right direction IMO. Since the faddy transfer, we only ever received buttons for players until a bit more recently, maybe with the exception of clarky (circa 600k?). I would love to have kept scott for the run in, he was great to watch. But we're getting ourselves into a position where it is taking significant bids to get these boys away from us. It's not too long ago we would have jumped at hulls first 750k bid. And the more wisely we invest it - the required bid is only going to go up. This is something to be positive about. Other provincial scottish clubs should take note. Burrows, if you're reading this, keep up the good work for the club we all f**king love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, steelboy said: It's a terrible fee to accept. In 2001 we got 900k from Wigan in League One for Lee McCulloch. Using the BoE inflation calculator that's £1.5m today. So basically we've sold Scott for 2/3rds of the McCulloch fee which is an utter joke. Burrows is lucky that most of our support won't realise this and think £1m in 2020 is the same as £1m in the 90s. He was banging on about phoning fans in the podcast so I'll await a call or text to explain this! The only reason to sell now would be to strengthen the squad and instead we have signed another absolute no hoper. Robinson pushing Ndjoli as a striking option after starting MacIver in front of him is another slap in the face but to be fair he has other things on his mind. The bottom line is we have weakened our squad this window when we are going for third, Europe and still in the cup. We have scored two goals from open play in the last 6 league games. We needed to strengthen if we have any ambition. I am sure every supporter, yourself excepted does not give a feck about what £1 mil was worth 20 years ago compared to now, so as its 2020 getting £1.5 mil for a developing player who cost us nothing is a very good bit of business. Personally I thought the timing of the move was poor given our current options up front, but if we re-shuffle with ndjoli and long, with Aaron's coming in we should be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 hours ago, steelboy said: It's a terrible fee to accept. In 2001 we got 900k from Wigan in League One for Lee McCulloch. Using the BoE inflation calculator that's £1.5m today. So basically we've sold Scott for 2/3rds of the McCulloch fee which is an utter joke. Burrows is lucky that most of our support won't realise this and think £1m in 2020 is the same as £1m in the 90s. He was banging on about phoning fans in the podcast so I'll await a call or text to explain this! The only reason to sell now would be to strengthen the squad and instead we have signed another absolute no hoper. Robinson pushing Ndjoli as a striking option after starting MacIver in front of him is another slap in the face but to be fair he has other things on his mind. The bottom line is we have weakened our squad this window when we are going for third, Europe and still in the cup. We have scored two goals from open play in the last 6 league games. We needed to strengthen if we have any ambition. I think you would still be a miserable bastard if you were given 1 million quid personally by the club, would say its not the same value as a million quid from 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Adam Livingstone had his loan mutually terminated with Greenock Morton, he only played a handful of appearances in December for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Even given inflation, there still aren't all that many >£1m transactions going on in Scottish Football (outwith those involving Rangers and Celtic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 55 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I am sure every supporter, yourself excepted does not give a feck about what £1 mil was worth 20 years ago compared to now, so as its 2020 getting £1.5 mil for a developing player who cost us nothing is a very good bit of business. Personally I thought the timing of the move was poor given our current options up front, but if we re-shuffle with ndjoli and long, with Aaron's coming in we should be ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning by Name Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 6 hours ago, steelboy said: It's a terrible fee to accept. In 2001 we got 900k from Wigan in League One for Lee McCulloch. Using the BoE inflation calculator that's £1.5m today. So basically we've sold Scott for 2/3rds of the McCulloch fee which is an utter joke. Burrows is lucky that most of our support won't realise this and think £1m in 2020 is the same as £1m in the 90s. He was banging on about phoning fans in the podcast so I'll await a call or text to explain this! The only reason to sell now would be to strengthen the squad and instead we have signed another absolute no hoper. Robinson pushing Ndjoli as a striking option after starting MacIver in front of him is another slap in the face but to be fair he has other things on his mind. The bottom line is we have weakened our squad this window when we are going for third, Europe and still in the cup. We have scored two goals from open play in the last 6 league games. We needed to strengthen if we have any ambition. Wasn't that for Lee McCulloch and Stevie MacMillan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Winning by Name said: Wasn't that for Lee McCulloch and Stevie MacMillan? The Lee McCulloch deal had an add-on of a free smack in the coupon with a Motherwell flagpole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning by Name Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 3:02 PM, weeyin said: The Lee McCulloch deal had an add-on of a free smack in the coupon with a Motherwell flagpole. Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 2:18 PM, Kat said: Adam Livingstone had his loan mutually terminated with Greenock Morton, he only played a handful of appearances in December for them. So does that mean he is back in our first team squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, middleeastdave said: So does that mean he is back in our first team squad? He seems so far out of the picture, it's not true. If he's out of contract this summer, I expect he'll be released... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 2:55 PM, Winning by Name said: Wasn't that for Lee McCulloch and Stevie MacMillan? And Ged Brannan, in an era we were reportedly paying players £8k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 According to Alison Conroy of Radio Clyde Tony Watt is training with us without any commitment, according to Robbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, sbcmfc said: And Ged Brannan, in an era we were reportedly paying players £8k a week. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2999720/Scottish-Football-Motherwell-pair-bound-for-Wigan-in-1.35m-deal.html 1.35m for the pair. Brannan was a separate deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 hours ago, MelvinBragg said: He seems so far out of the picture, it's not true. If he's out of contract this summer, I expect he'll be released... Joins Clyde on loan for the rest of the season today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: According to Alison Conroy of Radio Clyde Tony Watt is training with us without any commitment, according to Robbo. Story on the BBC website now as well, I smell an offer till the end of the season coming up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I heard a rumour he scored the winner against Barcelona. He's managed to keep that quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 If it's a deal until the end of the season it shouldn't be too much of a risk to us. If he comes in and does well he can win an extension with us or a deal elsewhere, while we get a much-needed striker for the remainder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&A not the shop Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 We need an option through the middle. Hes played at a decent level and played a decent amount this season (18 games). We would be daft not to take a look at him. If it turns out he cant do a job or he's not a good fit then that should be clear when he trains with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I wasn't a big fan of the Watt option before we sold Scott (as I'd prefer if we had been able to develop him for the remainder of the season). Now that Scott's moved on, I agree it's a low risk option to take a look and see if he can do a job for the remainder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Would give Watt a deal til the end of the season and see what happens from there as nothing to lose. One thing I have noticed about Robinson's time in charge is that players are usually moved on quickly if things are not working out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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