Al B Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 And they never had Michael Higdon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 18 hours ago, ropy said: But what a 2 years we could have, then there is the development fee stuff, so it is all good I think most fans would agree, but those running the club need to deal with the financial reality of it all, and the sad truth is we can't afford to dismiss millions of pounds. Let's just hope he's still here for another season. I wouldn't mind seeing us get this season out of him and then sell for around the £2 million mark with add-ons to a club down south in the summer if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 I guess we need to look at the positives to Turnbull leaving to a degree. Would a fee of say 2.5 million see the debt completely paid off and more money going into the playing budget ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, Yorkyred said: Would a fee of say 2.5 million see the debt completely paid off and more money going into the playing budget ? Without knowing the up to date figures its hard to be precise but I'd say that once transfer and compensation fees from Cedric Kipre, Ryan Bowman, Stuart McKinstry, Jake Hastie and perhaps Chris Cadden, are taken into account the debt will be pretty much paid off. Any additional fees would go straight into the club's coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermarv Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 We got money as well for Sheff Utd going up from Ben Heneghan even though he was on loan at Blackpool this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Without knowing the up to date figures its hard to be precise but I'd say that once transfer and compensation fees from Cedric Kipre, Ryan Bowman, Stuart McKinstry, Jake Hastie and perhaps Chris Cadden, are taken into account the debt will be pretty much paid off. Any additional fees would go straight into the club's coffers. As of the public accounts up to 31/05/2018 the club owed Les £995k and JB £210k So with those players mentioned above, and only a % of transfer fees going to that debt I think we will still be a wee bit off. As a rough (very rough) guide, again from the accounts, Moult and Heneghan netted us £1.04m, and we reduced the joint debt to Les and JB by about £530k (which included a £193k write off by Les due tothe double your money). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, superward said: As of the public accounts up to 31/05/2018 the club owed Les £995k and JB £210k As you say it's a rough guide, but some documentation I was reading had us owing Les £650k and Boyle £350k via guarantees. There's no way we can owe John Boyle that much surely? I'd be surprised if we actually still owed Les as much as stated either. They both seem enormous sums of money unless things really were that bad? I like that we've got a Pacific Shelf 1272 involved in the Club as a creditor as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, Burn_Broomfield said: As you say it's a rough guide, but some documentation I was reading had us owing Les £650k and Boyle £350k via guarantees. There's no way we can owe John Boyle that much surely? I'd be surprised if we actually still owed Les as much as stated either. They both seem enormous sums of money unless things really were that bad? I like that we've got a Pacific Shelf 1272 involved in the Club as a creditor as well... I did some reading a while back when Les was actively involved and then again when we moved over to the current position of WS ownership but I've long forgotten that unfortunately. Those figures you mention ring a bell though from some of that earlier reading. I doubt we would report incorrect figures however reporting in accounts can be confusing, weird and wonderful for many reasons that we all pay accountants for.I do seem to remember Les extended a further loan to the club so we owes the initial 650k + something else. Either way I do think the debts to them will be paid sooner rather than later and a good big chunk by the players Kmcalpin mentions. Which is great. Anyway, I'd like a mercurial winger announced soon please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinnae-punt-it Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, superward said: Anyway, I'd like a mercurial winger announced soon please. Is that not Hylton? From the clips i’ve seen of him, he is fast, tricky and has a goal in him.......does that make him mercurial? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermarv Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Should have another signing or 2 going by Flow’s comments last week after the Hylton signing. Indicated a winger and striker. Hope we can keep Ariyibi and bring in another as 3rd choice winger to compete as well as a striker or 2 or one who can do both which may be Powell which would mean we’d still need another striker if he is signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 In terms of simply numbers, we're still pretty short. Even if you consider that our squad was perhaps slightly bloated, we've lost quite a few players. GK Sorted. If we move a goalkeeper on, it's a different story. Don't know if Ferguson is rated by the coaching staff. DF Four first choice centre backs, but that includes an untested Maguire and a Hartley that has been so far out of the picture since January, many expected him to move on this summer. We have two untested left backs and as far as right backs go, we're probably ok. MID Losing McHugh and Rodriguez-Gorrin means we've lost both our recognised defensive midfielders. Is Sloth a direct replacement for one of them? Obviously Donnelly played there last game of the season, is this something we might look at for next season? Does Polworth fit in here or on the wings? To me, we look short of numbers here. FW Two strikers, one relatively untested and the other not entirely suited to the way we've been playing the last six months. One winger confirmed, possibly two if Polworth plays there. Cadden might be here, might not be. I reckon, even allowing for the possibility that Semple or others might have a breakthrough season, we need at least another four signings, possibly more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: In terms of simply numbers, we're still pretty short. Even if you consider that our squad was perhaps slightly bloated, we've lost quite a few players. GK Sorted. If we move a goalkeeper on, it's a different story. Don't know if Ferguson is rated by the coaching staff. DF Four first choice centre backs, but that includes an untested Maguire and a Hartley that has been so far out of the picture since January, many expected him to move on this summer. We have two untested left backs and as far as right backs go, we're probably ok. MID Losing McHugh and Rodriguez-Gorrin means we've lost both our recognised defensive midfielders. Is Sloth a direct replacement for one of them? Obviously Donnelly played there last game of the season, is this something we might look at for next season? Does Polworth fit in here or on the wings? To me, we look short of numbers here. FW Two strikers, one relatively untested and the other not entirely suited to the way we've been playing the last six months. One winger confirmed, possibly two if Polworth plays there. Cadden might be here, might not be. I reckon, even allowing for the possibility that Semple or others might have a breakthrough season, we need at least another four signings, possibly more... Polworth is 100% a "number 10". Never a winger in a million years. Could be a ball playing deep midfielder, but isnt great defensively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 hours ago, superward said: As of the public accounts up to 31/05/2018 the club owed Les £995k and JB £210k So with those players mentioned above, and only a % of transfer fees going to that debt I think we will still be a wee bit off. As a rough (very rough) guide, again from the accounts, Moult and Heneghan netted us £1.04m, and we reduced the joint debt to Les and JB by about £530k (which included a £193k write off by Les due tothe double your money). Your figures are accurate. I think the "uncertainties" relate to transfer income etc after the financial year end. From John Boyle's debt we can deduct a furthter £70K according to the accounts, so that would then be updated to Les £995 and JB £140K making a total of £1.135m. Since then we've picked up, reportedly, £750K from Kipre's fee and about £60K from Bowman's departure If we take 40% of that, this would reduce the outstanding debt to about £810K. If we now deduct 40% of monies received for Jake Hastie, Stuart McKinstry, that would amount to say a further £280K reducing the debt to about £530K. Deduct say a further £150K through the Double Your Money offer to 31 May this year and that brings down the total to about £380K. Should Chris Cadden go for say £500K (an assumption I know) another £200K would be knocked off the debt leaving it at about £180K. Thats my best estimate. To keep the thread on track, I assume that Sloth will be a replacement for the allrounder Gorrin, but thats an assumption on my part . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 I think Cadden would be as surprised as most on here are that you put him in the forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Goggles & Flippers said: I think Cadden would be as surprised as most on here are that you put him in the forwards His last few games have been as a winger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Alex Gorrin Linked with Aberdeen this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 In the past 10 years or so, Aberdeen have had good value from their MFC Scouting subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermarv Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 One better than that Carden linked to Dundee Utd Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 We might also have Tanner back as the club are giving him a chance to prove his fitness, so we might have competition for midfield as I assume , Sloth, Turnbull and Polworth will be 1st choice starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Are the club able to give Cadden a deadline whilst still protecting compensation due if he moves on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: We might also have Tanner back as the club are giving him a chance to prove his fitness, so we might have competition for midfield as I assume , Sloth, Turnbull and Polworth will be 1st choice starters Allan Campbell warming the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Neilwell86 said: Allan Campbell warming the bench? It's a possibility, Tanner, Campbell, who knows, but I can't see the club offering Tanner a short term deal to prove his fitness and then not playing him. So it a squad rotation problem for SR to manage, happens in all the top teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I reckon you are looking at a midfield trio of Sloth in that deep lying play maker role, with Campbell and Turnbull in there usual roles. Polworth and Tanner will be the ones to win the places. Not a bad problem to have though !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSmith Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 No chance Campbell is getting dropped. He’s the only midfielder we have currently with proper defensive ability. Turnbull, Tanner, Polworth and Sloth all seem much more attacking and Donnelly really hasn’t played much in midfield yet. So as it stands, it genuinely looks like Campbell is crucial to a balanced midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Contract offer to Tanner is a token gesture. Unlikely to partake in top flight football... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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