ropy Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 4 hours ago, C&A not the shop said: A bridge over the railway at that location would cut the walk from Fir Park to about a third of a mile. A train station right at the ground would be great except for when Rangers and Celtic come and make fan management a disaster. Also it would be exactly halfway between Motherwell and Shieldmuir so about a mile from each, there really wouldn't be the need for another train station. A bridge like the one near Easter Road, that would create an atmosphere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inthebasement Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Onthefringes said: And that intensity couldn’t be recreated? It’s the people who create that, not any structure. Rebuild of a stand that couldn’t be completed when first constructed? Piffle. The historic failure to complete the stand has no logical connection to the prospects of redeveloping. Or do you want to explain the connection? Maybe just felt like disagreeing and saying 'piffle' but don't gave two coherent thoughts to rub together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, Inthebasement said: The historic failure to complete the stand has no logical connection to the prospects of redeveloping. Or do you want to explain the connection? Maybe just felt like disagreeing and saying 'piffle' but don't gave two coherent thoughts to rub together? OTF is pretty much right. An empty stadium is just a collection of buildings, although design can have a limited influence. Its the fans who make the ground. The failure to complete the old main stand as was, was due to land ownership problems which won't be solved and would contrain a new stand. . I think a stadium with 4 complete sides would help the atmosphere, although its down to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Inthebasement said: The historic failure to complete the stand has no logical connection to the prospects of redeveloping. Or do you want to explain the connection? Maybe just felt like disagreeing and saying 'piffle' but don't gave two coherent thoughts to rub together? No logical connection? Have the adjacent properties which gave rise to the existing structure since been removed or would you just redevelop like for like? Hardly beneficial to the overall project... So, logical and consistent = coherent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inthebasement Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: OTF is pretty much right. An empty stadium is just a collection of buildings, although design can have a limited influence. Its the fans who make the ground. The failure to complete the old main stand as was, was due to land ownership problems which won't be solved and would contrain a new stand. . I think a stadium with 4 complete sides would help the atmosphere, although its down to the fans. Sorry, why won't the land ownership problem be solved? Do you have information on this? That was around 80 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inthebasement Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Onthefringes said: No logical connection? Have the adjacent properties which gave rise to the existing structure since been removed or would you just redevelop like for like? Hardly beneficial to the overall project... So, logical and consistent = coherent. See above - this is complete conjecture, all construction projects face a mass of legal, planning and ownership issues, as would anything on Ravenscraig. The position in 1962 has little bearing on the position in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Inthebasement said: See above - this is complete conjecture, all construction projects face a mass of legal, planning and ownership issues, as would anything on Ravenscraig. The position in 1962 has little bearing on the position in 2020. Well aware all construction projects subject to such issues. Conjecture maybe... Are you saying the adjacent property owners’ position will have changed in around 60 years? That’s naivety in the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Any redevelopment of the Main stand would presumably need the land that the 2 houses at the South stand end sit on. The last 2 houses sold on Firpark St went for approx 260k each in 2018/2019 So even supposing you could convince the 2 householders to sell at that price (which they probably wouldn’t), when you add up demolition land clearance,fees etc you could be looking at up to 1m before you even start any redevelopment work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inthebasement Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Onthefringes said: Well aware all construction projects subject to such issues. Conjecture maybe... Are you saying the adjacent property owners’ position will have changed in around 60 years? That’s naivety in the extreme. No it really is not, these issues change year by year, the naive position is to assume anything in 1962 must be the same now. Unfortunately you are just spouting nonsense to back up earlier nonsense. This from a quick look at wik:- Construction of a new main stand began in 1962.[4] The £92,000 cost of this work was financed by a small quote and the selling of two players, Pat Quinn and Ian St. John.[4][5] To minimise disruption to the old stand, the steel frame was built over and behind it.[4] Construction of the main stand stopped 20 yards short of the south end, however, because a local resident successfully objected to a completed stand.[4] The objection was made because it would have restricted light to the garden and reduced the value of the property.[4] By the time the property owner had decided to sell, Motherwell did not have the funds or will to complete a full length main stand.[4] The club instead bought the house and used it for their offices.[4] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Inthebasement said: No it really is not, these issues change year by year, the naive position is to assume anything in 1962 must be the same now. Unfortunately you are just spouting nonsense to back up earlier nonsense. This from a quick look at wik:- Construction of a new main stand began in 1962.[4] The £92,000 cost of this work was financed by a small quote and the selling of two players, Pat Quinn and Ian St. John.[4][5] To minimise disruption to the old stand, the steel frame was built over and behind it.[4] Construction of the main stand stopped 20 yards short of the south end, however, because a local resident successfully objected to a completed stand.[4] The objection was made because it would have restricted light to the garden and reduced the value of the property.[4] By the time the property owner had decided to sell, Motherwell did not have the funds or will to complete a full length main stand.[4] The club instead bought the house and used it for their offices.[4] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Nonsense in your opinion, yet, back up your stance with a not entirely factual fan written report from Wikipedia? Deary me, neither viewpoint (redevelopment/progress elsewhere) is unlikely to happen so it’s a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, santheman said: Any redevelopment of the Main stand would presumably need the land that the 2 houses at the South stand end sit on. The last 2 houses sold on Firpark St went for approx 260k each in 2018/2019 So even supposing you could convince the 2 householders to sell at that price (which they probably wouldn’t), when you add up demolition land clearance,fees etc you could be looking at up to 1m before you even start any redevelopment work. You're right but there would be a minimum of 4 semi detached properties involved. Then there's planning consent to address, including the effect on neighbouring properties - we're not Celtic or Partick. As you say costs would be very high before any work even started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 We're unquestionably going to move from Fir Park. It would be lovely to think that we could bit when you factor in the aforementioned houses that back on to the existing boundary at the south end of the Main Stand, the lack of space on the Hunter side of the ground, the slope and even the difficulties with the subsurface, there are a host of obstacles that make the task of coming up with a stadium of the current times problematic. In a sense we have some time on our side, in a sense we don't. I think an earlier view expressed is a good point in that there is a tipping point where it goes too far the other way in terms of costs for getting a licence to open the wooden constructed Main Stand, or the pitch is too expensive to maintain or the Hunter Stand roof can't be patched up as easily etc. where the speed will be ramped up towards a move. But by the same token deliberately hanging fire might have some benefits too. What will the immediate area look a few years down the line when the mooted infrastructure is in place that will see the first steps towards of a Motherwell to Cumbernauld road, with dual carriageway from Airbles Road up and along Windmillhill Street and through Ravenscraig. I don't know if that has the potential to make the land Fir Park lies on any more attractive to buyers. There's also been a movement towards safe standing. What if that direction of travel continues and there isn't the same obligation to have mandatory seating. If that were to happen it may bring some savings over what might have been required if you had moved in the last few years such as St Mirren. It would certainly offer a greater element of choice for how you view the game and may broaden the scope for designing the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Still don't have any money to pay for it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, weeyin said: Still don't have any money to pay for it, though. Currently, no. And not ignored in any of the above. Any move is of course going hinge upon what can be achieved for the land Fir Park lies on, hence the line referring to the attractiveness of the location to any potential buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Andy_P said: Currently, no. And not ignored in any of the above. Any move is of course going hinge upon what can be achieved for the land Fir Park lies on, hence the line referring to the attractiveness of the location to any potential buyer. Tim Horton's overflow carpark? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/3/2020 at 5:01 PM, Onthefringes said: And that intensity couldn’t be recreated? It’s the people who create that, not any structure. Not sure the fans of West Ham United would agree. Same fanbase, different "structure" has led to a completely different environment. Not saying that environment is the sole cause, but it certainly plays a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 https://mobile.twitter.com/Alan_Burrows/status/1359423361768710144 https://mobile.twitter.com/Alan_Burrows/status/1359424723671777281 Quote Alan Burrows @Alan_Burrows · 18m On-going Hunter Stand improvements: • All steelwork & back wall repainted • Guttering upgraded and leaks fixed • Toilets removed & replaced • Every seat removed and replaced • New PA system installed • All signage removed and replaced • Fan mural & Hunter timeline added Alan Burrows @Alan_Burrows · 13m • Replaced all lighting with new LED • Install new hot water tank for toilets • Stadium TVs added and new digital menus for kiosks • Modern payment methods added • Inside gable end artwork installed Hopefully you will all notice a huge difference when you’re back with us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://mobile.twitter.com/Alan_Burrows/status/1359423361768710144 https://mobile.twitter.com/Alan_Burrows/status/1359424723671777281 That’s all good but what about the paint on the stairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, underboyleheating said: That’s all good but what about the paint on the stairs? There must be more of that now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, underboyleheating said: That’s all good but what about the paint on the stairs? You're lucky you get to enjoy it. Overseas fans like myself have had to put some Tippex on our laptop screens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, weeyin said: You're lucky you get to enjoy it. Overseas fans like myself have had to put some Tippex on our laptop screens. Make sure it's yellow Tippex for complete authenticity . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Install new hot water tank for toilets Damn. I was growing quite fond of my fortnightly routine of a pie, bovril and 5:30pm treatment at Wishaw General for third degree burns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 What do the TVs show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingDosser Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Between re roofing it and this latest freshen up we have spent a fair wad of cash on something that should probably be bulldozed and rebuilt in the near future as the East Stand has been a shitehole for ever I can remember. This is a good move though and pleased to see we are actively taking care of the place and hopefully the timescale for other improvements isn't too far off. I will never forget what an absolute pigsty Love Street was allowed to get into before St Mirren moved and the state of Pittodrie and two sides of Dens. That said, if it sticks a plaster on the Hunter Stand for another 10-15 years surely the club will look at a redevelop for the Main Stand. Surprised it meets H&S criteria with the wooden decking and that's just just start. Not to mention the seats and how far we are behind other clubs with our hospitality offering. I've always been in the move to anew stadium camp but if it is feasible to improve the ground in stages that will be every bit as pleasing. As a club we are in the fortunate position that rebuilding the Phil O'Donnell wouldn't need us to decant as the remainder of the stadium has adequate provision to cater for the club over any construction period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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