Kmcalpin Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 hours ago, steelman1991 said: Behave - left to you we'd have a team of "Hammer Throwers". You really are obsessive about the physical aspect of football. He's been one of our success stories this term and long may Stephen Robinson see him in a different light to you and some others on here. He's not in the team to be physical - that's what others are there for You must be disappointed in the composition of the current squad then? "Hammer throwers" like Hartley, Gallagher, Dunne, Carroll, Tait, Donnelly, Campbell and Scott. There's a world of difference between being lightweight and a hammer thrower, as I've said repeatedly before. No way do I want a team of hammer throwers to represent our club. I don't want a lightweight team either for that matter. What I do want is a team physically capable of withstanding challenges and winning tackles fairly to compete. Not being lightweight does NOT mean being a dirty thug. Its not either or. Allan Campbell is a player that I admire, as do many others, but he is physical. He's no hammer thrower though. He doesn't shirk tackles; is hard to knock off the ball; and gets in opponents' faces. Skill aside, another physical player in my opinion is David Turnbull. Yes, he is very talented, but he is also difficult to simply barge off the ball. He can also put in a reasonable tackle. On Saturday, Hibs will present a physical challenge. We have to compete with them, but that doesn't mean kicking them off the park. It means getting in their faces, being able to hold the ball under pressure and being able to put in a hard tackle when required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Why would I be disappointed?, you illustrated my point perfectly. There are others in the team capable of doing the "physical" work - no need to load the side with strong/physical players - all about balance. At no point did I describe any of those players as Hammer Throwers (just a wee bit of artistic licence there). It is clearly you who is currently disappointed with the current squad and team selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Carroll, Tait, Scott and Campbell are hardly hammer throwers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, GazzyB said: Carroll, Tait, Scott and Campbell are hardly hammer throwers. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, steelman1991 said: Why would I be disappointed?, you illustrated my point perfectly. There are others in the team capable of doing the "physical" work - no need to load the side with strong/physical players - all about balance. At no point did I describe any of those players as Hammer Throwers (just a wee bit of artistic licence there). It is clearly you who is currently disappointed with the current squad and team selection. Thats not how it works though is it. Just because the likes of Gallagher and Hartley may be physically strong at the back it doesn't follow that Polworth or our 2 wingers are strong enough to shrug off hard challenges at the other end of the pitch. We need all 11 players on the pitch to be physically strong enough to compete; strong enough to ride hard tackles and emerge with the ball. Football is a contact sport after all. Robbo himself has said that several players need to improve their upper body strength. Agree 100% that players like Carroll, Tait, Scott and Campbell are not hammer throwers but they are physically strong. There is middle ground here. I'm very happy with the squad - we're sitting in 4th spot after all. That doesn't mean to say though that its perfect and we can't make improvements in 1 or 2 areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think the view that polworth is lightweight is unjustified. Watch him and in duels his determination shows through. Because he is at this time our most creative player and is a bit skinny people say he is lightweight but i dont get it and feel it is a lazy assumption. I have been at dalszell park a few times watching training and he has always been the best player in the games. Anyone who thinks he should be dropped is imo missing his abilities. Hibs are there for the taking as I honestly believe they could go down as their squad is not good and if they do not get going soon their fans will put so much pressure on the players i dont think they will be able to cope. 2-0 to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TvTotherwell Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 So. . . . . . The Hibs game. 2-1 to the good guys. Polworth getting both after winning the ball on the half way line and holding of three defender with a powerful run into the box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: On Saturday, Hibs will present a physical challenge. We have to compete with them, but that doesn't mean kicking them off the park. It means getting in their faces, being able to hold the ball under pressure and being able to put in a hard tackle when required. I too am concerned that *checks notes* Stevie Mallan, Scott Allan and Josh Vela will bully our midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, thisGRAEME said: I too am concerned that *checks notes* Stevie Mallan, Scott Allan and Josh Vela will bully our midfield. I've only watched Hibs versus us at Fir Park and against Celtic on TV and Hallberg coming into their midfield made a big difference so it will be a harder battle than at Fir Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Stevie Mallan will bully nobody, he's a shite bag of the highest order. always bottles out of tackles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Stevie Mallan will bully nobody, he's a shite bag of the highest order. always bottles out of tackles.I’d still take him or Allan over any of our currently fit midfielders there both x10 the players any of our midfielders areSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 If we swapped Donnelly and Campbell for Allan and Mallan we wouldn't win a contested ball in the midfield for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotts Well Fan Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ross said: I’d still take him or Allan over any of our currently fit midfielders there both x10 the players any of our midfielders are Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OK I'll bite. You are talking Shite. Both are show ponies. I'd rather have our midfield any day as would most Hits fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 If we swapped Donnelly and Campbell for Allan and Mallan we wouldn't win a contested ball in the midfield for the rest of the season. Obviously I wouldn’t take both of them in the same team but in terms of footballing ability they are much better playersSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ross said: I’d still take him or Allan over any of our currently fit midfielders there both x10 the players any of our midfielders are Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Aye so they are, they are that good they play for a hibs team who have been utter dross so far this season, so great players, I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Aye so they are, they are that good they play for a hibs team who have been utter dross so far this season, so great players, I think not.Feeding the ball to players like Christian doidge isn’t going to get them great amounts of assists.If Allan went to rangers instead of Celtic he’d be one of best players in Scotland Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Scott Allan is class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I'd have Allan over Polworth but Mallan is a poor man's Ross Forbes and Vela is a nothing player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ross said: Feeding the ball to players like Christian doidge isn’t going to get them great amounts of assists.If Allan went to rangers instead of Celtic he’d be one of best players in Scotland Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Allan has either signed for or been loaned out at 11 different clubs in the last 10 years, ( 3rd spell at Hibs currently) and in that time has scored 12 goals, so an average of just over 1 goal a year, aye the potential to be the best, stop talking pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Allan has either signed for or been loaned out at 11 different clubs in the last 10 years, ( 3rd spell at Hibs currently) and in that time has scored 12 goals, so an average of just over 1 goal a year, aye the potential to be the best, stop talking pish.You don’t need to be yaya toure and scoring 20 goals a season from midfield to be a good playerSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 But it helps if you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 This won’t be easy as Hib’s will be hoping that the new manager continues the good work Eddie May did in managing their last match. However, if we approach the game in our normal way and ignore the occasion we have the personnel to pick up at least a point if not three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Allan must be in his late-ish 20s and has played about 2 full seasons, one of which was in the championship. Is he injured a lot or just not as good as folk make him out to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Allan must be in his late-ish 20s and has played about 2 full seasons, one of which was in the championship. Is he injured a lot or just not as good as folk make him out to be?Went to Celtic for the money instead of going to his boyhood club rangers and didn’t get a game Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, fizoxy said: Allan must be in his late-ish 20s and has played about 2 full seasons, one of which was in the championship. Is he injured a lot or just not as good as folk make him out to be? 11 clubs and only 12 goals in 10 years says it all really.....hes not as good as people think he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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