wellup83 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, MFCL84 said: I have to agree with this, but I do think that Motherwell seem to be technically poorer than most of the other teams in the league. Just watching that game today it was clear that St Johnstone can pass and move better and do so with more pace than Mothewell. Our game is typified by slow movement of the ball, a lack of movement off the ball and multi-touch/mis-control. All of this gives the opposition more time to react and organise making it very difficult for us to create meaningful chances for our front players, and when those slow passes are made in a backwards direction, it places pressure on our back line ultimately resulting to the loss of goals. Basically, we need to be technically better. Absolutely spot on! We look lethargic on and off the ball, lacking any idea of what we need to do. We have professional footballers who can't control a simple pass to feet. The amount of times the ball bounces off our man and into the possession of the other team is criminal. I never expect us to play like Barca but fs we're difficult to watch. We don't play football, we're turning up hoping the opposition will fuck up and gift us a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, weeyin said: The last 2 games have proved, if there was any doubt, how indispensable Campbell is in our midfield. The drive and energy he provides is something we have severely lacked in his absence. That’s on the management team for sure. Playing with the shape changed in Campbell’s absence and expecting a different answer was folly. Campbell won’t be around forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, MFCL84 said: I have to agree with this, but I do think that Motherwell seem to be technically poorer than most of the other teams in the league. Just watching that game today it was clear that St Johnstone can pass and move better and do so with more pace than Mothewell. Our game is typified by slow movement of the ball, a lack of movement off the ball and multi-touch/mis-control. All of this gives the opposition more time to react and organise making it very difficult for us to create meaningful chances for our front players, and when those slow passes are made in a backwards direction, it places pressure on our back line ultimately resulting to the loss of goals. Basically, we need to be technically better. There are obviously one to one discussions as players have said that they learn hints from the manager. He should tell them individually how to pass. Play it in front of your man, if your man is on the move play it into his stride not to where you last saw him. Big Dec can make great headed clearances but when he is in the opposition box a different technique is required. Suggest to him to head it downwards perhaps. Just give them appropriate coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker86 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 It's all so predictable. Slow play from defence, lack of options and movement in midfield, strikers feeding of scraps and long balls, hit and hope long throws. Nothing seems to change.....ever! St Johnstone are bang average and we made them look decent. I could single out individual performances and errors but the problems with this current team run deeper than that. What happens Mon-Fri?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, ropy said: He should tell them individually how to pass. Play it in front of your man, if your man is on the move play it into his stride not to where you last saw him They should be well beyond that by now, those basics are taught at grassroots. These are pros we're talking about. If they can't do the basics like control and pass by now they shouldn't be playing the game, certainly not at this level anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 We have the slowest back 3/5 in the league absolutely no pace it really is shocking but again comes down to the manager who picks the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, wellup83 said: They should be well beyond that by now, those basics are taught at grassroots. These are pros we're talking about. If they can't do the basics like control and pass by now they shouldn't be playing the game, certainly not at this level anyway. I have to agree. The fact that this forum is giving simple advice on how to pass to a teammate indicates just how poor the team's general level of footballing competence has fallen. That level really shouldn't be what we see each week at the top level in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Yodo said: We have the slowest back 3/5 in the league absolutely no pace it really is shocking but again comes down to the manager who picks the team The back line is particularly vulnerable to any pace. The midfield isn't blessed in that area either. The only real pace that the team has is in Seedorf and Long. We don't seem able to unleash Seedorf's pace to any effect and Long appears to have an attitude issue that means that we won't often get the best from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 just listened to the "manager" yip blames the players says they are too soft I hate to tell him but he signed the donkeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Why not continue with O’Hara at centre half? Grimshaw in midfield? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, MFCL84 said: The back line is particularly vulnerable to any pace. The midfield isn't blessed in that area either. The only real pace that the team has is in Seedorf and Long. We don't seem able to unleash Seedorf's pace to any effect and Long appears to have an attitude issue that means that we won't often get the best from him. Beside the fact that lamie is absolute guff,mcginley should have started to try and combat the threat of ohallorans pace.sometimes a manager just needs to match up and letting lamie,who looks like he is towing a caravan up against ohalloran was a mistake on the managers part today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, steelboy said: and the goals when part time Glentoran went down to ten men. For what it's worth, Glentoran are not a part-time team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 hours ago, steelboy said: McGinley was dire last week and barely went 10 yards over the halfway line. He's hardly Stevie Hammell but he's nowhere near as bad as you're attempting to make out. You decided about 8 minutes into the friendly at Ibrox he was rubbish and it's patently obvious you are trying to prove yourself the master of foresight by throwing out a disparaging comment about him whether it's deserved or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Yodo said: just listened to the "manager" yip blames the players says they are too soft I hate to tell him but he signed the donkeys Yip, is never Robbo's fault. He is sounding like neil lennon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, grizzlyg said: Yip, is never Robbo's fault. He is sounding like neil lennon He always sounds like Neil Lennon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Poor poor performance, not to mention the total of urgency or desire. Can only assume McGinley had a knock, although to be fair he’s no world beater himself. In the managers defence we are missing almost half a first choice team in Carson, Carroll, Dunne, Donnelly and Campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Andy_P said: He's hardly Stevie Hammell but he's nowhere near as bad as you're attempting to make out. You decided about 8 minutes into the friendly at Ibrox he was rubbish and it's patently obvious you are trying to prove yourself the master of foresight by throwing out a disparaging comment about him whether it's deserved or not. I'm just talking about the game last week where he looked very passive when we were in possession. He got dropped so I would guess he didn't show up well in the video analysis/stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Not overly amused at that Cup exit. Nobody likes a defeat at any time but going out a Cup competition with barely a whimper tends to irk more than most. The performance wasn't there last week according to Mark O'Hara so I'd be interested to see what he made of today as it was even more poor than in Perth. And yet half an hour to go you find yourself ahead. Deserved or otherwise. Don't do anything daft, St Johnstone are hardly battering down to the door themselves. See it out. But no. It's difficult to have a great amount of sympathy when you are in winning positions two weeks in succession St Johnstone, a team of the ilk that if you are going to do anything, you need to be seeing off, and we can't hold leads in either of them. Lamie hasn't overly impressed when played at left-back so his introduction immediately raised eyebrows and his involvement unfortunately proved those held fears to be well founded. The second goal hardly covered ourselves in glory either. And after that, absolutely nothing. That you can't make much of an argument to say that St Johnstone didn't deserve the win says it all. The only consolation is that there's one less fixture to cram in next month. That's it, that's the highlight of our League Cup campaign, one game less to play. Poor stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Yip, is never Robbo's fault. He is sounding like neil lennon I will have to listen again but I am fairly certain he admits it was his fault. He picks the team - he takes the responsibility In which case he is saying he is to blame. He does however blame pish poor defending and that is 100% on him. Not a ONE Motherwell fan understands why he picked Lamie over McGinley. Not saying we would have won but he is a goal conceded a game defender. Every time. Maybe I am a blind optimist but I still think we will finish top 6. Based on nothing but eternal hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Just listen to Robinsons interview, what the hell is he on about 3 or 4 men in the team that used to be vilified! Which players is he talking about and who were they vilified by?! Can only see this as a dig at the fans when we’re not even in the stadium!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 So is it Robinson has done a decent overall job ? Or he is useless and can “get ta f##k” this week ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, couttsy said: Just listen to Robinsons interview, what the hell is he on about 3 or 4 men in the team that used to be vilified! Which players is he talking about and who were they vilified by?! Can only see this as a dig at the fans when we’re not even in the stadium!... Come on there have been plenty of fall guys even in my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Yorkyred said: Come on there have been plenty of fall guys even in my time. Of course but why bring it up now when fans have no impact on results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I don't think he was meaning the fans. I think it was a reference to the media and Rangers villifying our style particularly Bowman and McHugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 At least Holt did the honourable thing and walked away I don't see Robinson ever doing that so it's up tae the board tae get rid off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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