weeyin Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 9:19 PM, grizzlyg said: Could do with Craggs back working with the youth set up, no sign of any youths breaking through to first team which I find very sad Expand The youths haven't had games for about 2 seasons now thanks to Covid. And the last time there was a league it was Reserves rather than youngsters - which was one of the reasons Craggs stepped away from the set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 9:44 PM, weeyin said: The youths haven't had games for about 2 seasons now thanks to Covid. And the last time there was a league it was Reserves rather than youngsters - which was one of the reasons Craggs stepped away from the set-up. Expand Fair do's and understand. Hopefully we will go back to producing our own instead of thinking every English lower league player is the next louis moult, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning by Name Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 7:37 PM, SteelmaninOZ said: Good one Expand Fantastic choice! I remember as a boy in 9th Motherwell Boys Brigade he used to present the awards at the Parents nights. We were all in awe of him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted November 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Another legend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 3:39 AM, SteelmaninOZ said: Another legend Expand Seems fair enough. He has probably done as much for the club, in a key role, as anyone in the forty p,us years I have been a 'Well fan. With regard to some of the current criticism of the style of football being played, it should be noted that some of his teams were less than attractive on the eye for us football purists. They were obviously different times, where a manager was given time to develop a squad and build for the longer term. Not sure if that s possible in the here and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 6:25 AM, The African said: With regard to some of the current criticism of the style of football being played, it should be noted that some of his teams were less than attractive on the eye for us football purists. They were obviously different times, where a manager was given time to develop a squad and build for the longer term. Not sure if that s possible in the here and now. Expand Absolutely. Some of his early teams would have been chronically dire to watch for many modern generations fans. Expectations were far lower in those days and for most fans a win was sufficient entertainment. Promotion of the English Premeir League has changed all of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 10:30 AM, Kmcalpin said: Absolutely. Some of his early teams would have been chronically dire to watch for many modern generations fans. Expand They were chronic for us to watch at the time too - Gordon (Night) Mair, Derek (Ruby) Murray, to name but a few - shivers brrrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:04 PM, steelman1991 said: They were chronic for us to watch at the time too - Gordon (Night) Mair, Derek (Ruby) Murray, to name but a few - shivers brrrrr. Expand Better players than some of the garbage we've had to endure in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Absloutley no way mate - they were the bottom of the pile when it came to dross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 The difference with McLeans teams were that he was bringing us up from the old First Division and had to play a certain way to keep us in the league. His teams were always set up first and foremost to be hard to beat, and sometimes it wasnt pretty, but over time that changed. The team that finished 3rd and nearly won the league were great to watch. Of course that was pre Bosman so you didnt have the same turnover of players every season and building a team over time was still a thing you could do. We all have to accept that, whether we like our current style of play or not, GA has us sitting comfortably mid table and unless that changes he is not going anywhere. That said, Im not sure any of Wee Tommys teams gave away 65% possession of the ball to St Mirren at home. He would have went ballistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 1:50 PM, joewarkfanclub said: The difference with McLeans teams were that he was bringing us up from the old First Division and had to play a certain way to keep us in the league. Expand They were - but he only got away with it in his first SPL season thanks to reconstruction, as we finished in a relegation spot despite parking the bus and winning only 7 games. The league structure didn't encourage risk taking football of course, with 2 from 10 being relegated every season. As you say, though, he slowly changed that over time and when players like Russell and Cooper were introduced our focus and tactics changed for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 The most common refrain from the crowd at the time was ‘Resign McLean’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:39 PM, steelman1991 said: Absloutley no way mate - they were the bottom of the pile when it came to dross. Expand I didn't say that they were good but we've had worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 3:33 PM, ropy said: The most common refrain from the crowd at the time was ‘Resign McLean’. Expand Big kirkie used to endure some amount of stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 5:09 PM, well_said said: I didn't say that they were good but we've had worse. Expand I don't think we have - they were 2 of the worst in living memory. They were really awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 5:11 PM, well_said said: Big kirkie used to endure some amount of stick. Expand Didn't he just - along with Big Buff when he first arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 5:12 PM, steelman1991 said: I don't think we have - they were 2 of the worst in living memory. They were really awful. Expand I'll get back to you when I come up with some names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 What about Paul kinnaird or Andy roddie or further back you could have a guy called mark Leonard, all three bloody awful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 5:11 PM, well_said said: Big kirkie used to endure some amount of stick. Expand I never understood that. Stevie was one of my favourite players from Day 1. He wasn't always brilliant, but he was usually entertaining. Mair and Murray on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 5:53 PM, well_said said: What about Paul kinnaird or Andy roddie or further back you could have a guy called mark Leonard, all three bloody awful. Expand Mark Caughey and Davie Shanks.....ahhhhhhhh memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I have no probs with wee Tommy being in hall of fame, led us to one of greatest days of my life 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 8:08 PM, weeyin said: I never understood that. Stevie was one of my favourite players from Day 1. He wasn't always brilliant, but he was usually entertaining. Mair and Murray on the other hand... Expand Kirkie was my favourite player back in the day as well. Particularly against Hearts- he and Walter Kidd would really go at it. That said he could be a bit lazy. Mclean knew when to drop him to get the best from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 9:54 AM, wellsince75 said: Kirkie was my favourite player back in the day as well. Particularly against Hearts- he and Walter Kidd would really go at it. That said he could be a bit lazy. Mclean knew when to drop him to get the best from him. Expand He was some goalkeeper as well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 9:54 AM, wellsince75 said: Kirkie was my favourite player back in the day as well. Particularly against Hearts- he and Walter Kidd would really go at it. Expand There was also the famous altercation at Love St where he went at it with Billy Abercromby. He was sent off after a scuffle with Abercromby in the box and Abercromby managed to pick up 3 red cards for the same incident (and a 12 match ban). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 1:07 PM, weeyin said: There was also the famous altercation at Love St where he went at it with Billy Abercromby. He was sent off after a scuffle with Abercromby in the box and Abercromby managed to pick up 3 red cards for the same incident (and a 12 match ban). Expand That was a great game! Abercrombie was incandescent with rage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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