Motherwellfc1991 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Celtic are a million miles better than us in terms of budget, players and ability but on top of that they out fought and out muscled us at every opportunity. Alexander hung the club out to dry with that starting 11 and formation. We never laid a glove on them and allowed them to play. The 3 centre midfielders were nothing short of dreadful first half not supporting KVV and not getting back to help defence -caught in no mans land continually- they actually didn’t know what to do but they certainly allowed McGregor all the space in the world and everything went through him - they made him look world class. Why did Alexander not see this and put someone on him man for man - probably because he is too stubborn to admit his own mistakes. Why not pick play 442 and pick the best players we have for that formation , try be solid at the back, competitive in the middle and a basic threat up front. That might mean some of his chums in SOD, Goss, Donnelly and Carroll or Mcginley miss out but f**k me that today I’m afraid lacked effort desire and some know how on basic footballing awareness and tactics. Alexander overall has done ok in terms of keeping us in the league but he would get football stopped with his tactics and lack of entertainment . Boosting of 3.5 million profit after a massive loan and Turnbull money isn’t anything to shout about when we have a squad of conference level players at very best with hearts the shape of polo mints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT_1886 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Surely there isn’t a team in the league with a worse record vs the OF in recent years than us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: Now Celtic's biggest away win of the season. What does that tell us? Not a great deal. Unless Celtic played the same eleven in every one of their away games and they played equally well in each. I know the argument would be that we allowed them to play that well today, but you have to factor in the opponent's form when you compare results. Right now was the wrong time to play them.. On a more general point, is our form against the Old Firm appalling? Yes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: you are talking nonsense . "all but have the top six sealed after Utd game" with 21 points left to play for is ludicrous??? and we then face Aberdeen and Rangers. if you were saying that with 3 games to go after Utd I could give it some credibility. What am I saying? It’s simple arithmetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, ZT_1886 said: Surely there isn’t a team in the league with a worse record vs the OF in recent years than us? I don’t know about that but our record against both of them can’t be far off the worst in the league over the past four/five years. Two 1-1 draws against Rangers apart in 2021 we have lost every single meeting and it’s now eleven straight defeats against Celtic. I said it after we were rode 6-1 here against Rangers back in October, it’s not just that we are losing these games, it’s the amount of absolute hammerings we are on the end of against them both just about every single time we play them nowadays. Yes they are better than us and should beat us, but they don’t even need to break sweat to never mind beat us anymore, they hammer us nine times out of ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, ropy said: What am I saying? It’s simple arithmetic. I think we get the arithmetic bit. If we get 36 points we will be in the top 6 come the split. I think the issue is believing that to be true or likely to happen but time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 The growing gulf between the big two and ourselves gets more depressing by the year but there’s not much we can do about it with the widening finances. Specific to today, we were up against a Celtic team that’s in a very good place just now so it’s not a performance to dwell on. It’s vital though that we get a response to our dip in form at Tannadice, then follow it up against Aberdeen. The challenge for Alexander is finding the shape and personnel that can carry a threat going forward post Watt. I’d be surprised if we persist with the box in midfield any longer, I’d revert to 433 or 4312 and get some pace and creativity back in the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Why the obsession with our record against the old firm? Doesn’t matter who we beat, we get 3 points. So what, if other teams have a better record against the OF, the goal is to have as many points as possible at the end of the season as in top 6. We should be worried about how we are playing in general. Yes, I am happy to be in 4th spot after 25 games but obviously we need to start picking up points again to stay there. Would be nice to start against Utd in mid week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Why the obsession with our record against the old firm? Doesn’t matter who we beat, we get 3 points. So what, if other teams have a better record against the OF, the goal is to have as many points as possible at the end of the season as in top 6. We should be worried about how we are playing in general. Yes, I am happy to be in 4th spot after 25 games but obviously we need to start picking up points again to stay there. Would be nice to start against Utd in mid week. Because of how they influence everything to do with Scottish Football. There is nothing better than being able to give one or both of them a bloody nose. The fact we havent been able to do it for so long when others have been able to is quite depressing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Alexander fucked it up with that stupid formation...we had no outball, no pace, no width, and zero creativity 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 I think we are now seeing why mcginley starts before Carroll 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joewarkfanclub Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Not much I can say in defence of that performance. We were totally outclassed in every area of the field. Was always likely to happen given the form they are in. Im not sure how we become more competetive in these fixtures, but todays tactics and formation certainly didnt work. Lets not kid ourselves that we were doing ok up until the first goal, Kelly had kept us in it up until that point and it looked only a matter of time. Carroll showed today why McGinley has been playing in front of him. Time and again he left Abada goalside of him and made no effort to track back and help McGinley. The changes made at half time did seem to give us some impetus until the 4th goal killed the game. Tierney looks to have some ability with the ball at his feet and appears to have the heart and desire to make thimgs happen. Efford looks quite direct and offered more than KVV. Woolery looked absolutely clueless up top and ambled around aimlessly as if he wasnt really sure what he should be doing. All in all, a thoroughly depressing experience. The only good news is that we dont have to face that level of opposition on Wednesday. I would expect to see wholesale changes and a much improved display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Three of the slowest midfield players in the league up against a well oiled machine was always going to be a disaster . GA saying he knew what to expect from Celtic well he fooled me . I think we all knew they would come at us from the wings everybody that is bar GA . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 I feel better seeing Hearts getting pumped 5-0 by the other arse cheek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Celtic beat rangers 3-0 so beating us by 4 is not really a surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Celtic beat rangers 3-0 so beating us by 4 is not really a surprise That’s an easy comparison to make it was the manner of defeat that hurts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, MJC_mkII said: Exactly. Celtic had their worse season in over a decade last year yet we still couldn’t lay a glove on them in any of the meetings. And nothing needs said about our record against Rangers in the last twenty years. Still, “Welcome to our great wee club” The fact that Celtic lost twice in the league last term to anyone other than Rangers during "their worst season in over a decade" kinda shows how massive the gap is. Between them they have lost 5 league matches in the last 126, excluding defeats to each other. Our points total from the Old Firm over the last two seasons is pretty typical for a non city club Livingston 7pts from 5 results Ross County 4pts from 2 results St Mirren 3pts from 1 result Motherwell 2pts from 2 results St Johnstone 2pts from 2 results Kilmarnock 1pt from 1 result Hamilton 1pt from 1 result 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 The formation was a shambles today. It was terrible on Tuesday and we gave Celtic advance notice of it. Alexander needs a result in either of the next two games, if not the pressure is on Alexander and Burrows for extending him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Ya Bezzer! said: Livingston 7pts from 4 results A team that works on defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Just now, steelboy said: A team that works on defence. And has an awful plastic pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, steelboy said: Alexander needs a result in either of the next two games, if not the pressure is on Alexander and Burrows for extending him. You surely don't actually believe that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benson Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, steelboy said: The formation was a shambles today. It was terrible on Tuesday and we gave Celtic advance notice of it. Alexander needs a result in either of the next two games, if not the pressure is on Alexander and Burrows for extending him. First paragraph yes,the second no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, GazzyB said: You surely don't actually believe that? We are five games without a win in the league. If we go to six league games without a win plus out the cup then the manager needs a win in one of the next three league games to keep his job. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: And has an awful plastic pitch. They do ok at Celtic Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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