MJC Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, Kris-A-Goalda said: Gallagher - great first season but head turned when Aberdeen came calling, ability never questioned but mentality was I’d say it was more when he became involved with the international team that his head turned, no doubt with his agent in his ear telling him he was too good for us now that he was getting picked for Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, MearnsWell said: Centre back incoming surely? Who knows at this point it's just throwing shite at the wall and hope it sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ped_MFC Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Well at least we know that if we can't get bodies in before midnight that the club will be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MearnsWell Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Kyle Lafferty has left Killie… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, David said: Two points/questions then we can either revisit the Alexander thread or leave it be: I've seen a few people claim that he left his job. But I've also seen it claimed that he's still being paid by the club to sit home and do nothing, and that this is the case until either his contract term is complete or he gets a new job. If this is the case then he almost certainly didn't leave the position of his own accord, as he would most likely be due nothing if he quit. That's why we see managers up and down the country hanging onto their jobs when they're well past their welcome. They want sacked because then they get a payoff that they wouldn't get if they quit. So, which is it? Does anyone actually know? Finally, I've said it numerous times already on this forum. The time to sack him or for him to leave was the end of the previous season. If the club weren't interested in that option then we should have run with him until about November and seen if he could turn it around. Like most other clubs would have. If we're still not happy, we remove him and bring in someone else just ahead of the January window. Parting company with him literally days before the new season kicked off was an absolute shambles of the highest order, and is at least partly responsible for the position we find ourselves in now. And for the record, that entire pre-season was a total farce. We were having work done to our pitch which curtailed our ability to schedule home friendlies, and apparently a number of the friendly games we had scheduled to play away from home were cancelled quite late on. I don't know who's fault that was, but I doubt it was the job of the manager to be on the phones arranging pre-season friendlies. We went into our European games with two friendlies under our belt. Two. Nowhere near enough to be able to compete with a team that was, at that time, five months deep into their season. Yes, it's League of Ireland but the gulf in class between us and them isn't so great as to allow us to come in cold pre-season with two kick-abouts under our belt. And I actually disagree with your final point. I think if Alexander had been kept on we'd be in a better position than we are now. He's a more experienced operator than Hammell, and while he did sign Morris, he also signed Spittal and McGinn, and was part of the process that saw Van Veen sign a new deal, so there was positive moves made in that summer. Of course the football would still be eye-bleeding stuff to watch and no doubt how he dressed and his "arrogance" would still be annoying to certain people, but I'd be far more confident of us avoiding the drop with someone like Alexander at the helm than Hammell. Just my own personal opinion, mind. Again a commendable effort to absolve Alexander from much of what went wrong regards Sligo combined with a brushing over of the previous six months performances on the pitch. And not only the results. Could it just be that that Board had their season end review meeting and decided to stick with Alexander in the hope of improvement and in recognition of our final league position. Loyalty if you like. As you suggest, that was a reasonable course of action, although unpopular with some....including me. Then, following Sligo, the earlier doubts were not only confirmed but added to. A mistake had been made and it was a bigger risk to leave him in charge rather than effect a change of Manager. So panic driven by the fans? No. As you say, we will likely never know the exact story. But no matter whether he was pushed or jumped of his own accord, his time was up even if the timing was far from ideal. The appointment of Hammell is a separate issue and only time will tell if a more experienced appointment should have been made. I can see why many think that would have a safer option. But, in my personal opinion, to continue with Alexander on the road we were heading would have been a much greater risk. I firmly believe had Alexander remained after Sligo, he would have been gone by now. On a more general note, and in defence of Robinson, Alexander and Hammell, the position we have found ourselves in should be no real surprise. Season upon season we have downgraded the quality of squad due to lack of finances. That is not the Manager's fault. Just look back over the years and make a comparison. You can only work with the tools you are given. Eventually that downgrade bites you in the backside and we end up in the situation we currently find ourselves in. So to a degree all of our recent Managers have been a victim of circumstances outwith their control. Whether the Board could have managed things better is open for debate. As a fan owned club, with no access to Bank Loans, no cash rich Benefactor to fund rescue acts and with a Membership contributing only (no offence intended) around £30/£40k? per month how on earth can we bring in quality players to improve our lot? Perhaps those screaming for up to 5 more additions this window have a solution? Transfer income has helped in the past, but with the reduction in saleable assets (either from transfers in or youth development) that becomes less and less of an option. Looking to income via youth development, CoVid was a disaster added to which most young talent we unearth is seduced by the Old Firm or cash rich English clubs. Bailey Rice as a recent example but there are many more. So the possibility of cashing in on the likes of a new Turnbull, Scott or even Hastie are much reduced. Just imagine.....£350k for Turnbull as opposed to £3m. Reduced income that tides us over rather than enough money to fund investment. Someone earlier talked about the Club finding its true level given all the circumstances and that sadly that might not be in the Premiership for a few seasons. That is a depressing thought but I wonder if that would not already be the case were quite a few Clubs not in a similar position. Just that they are not yet as depleted as Motherwell are. Examples - St Johnstone appear to be on a similar downward spiral, only a matter of two years after cup successes. Top players all sold on and a squad nowhere near the quality they used to have. Much the same could be said of Kilmarnock and Ross County, although benefactors have come to their rescue. I heard recently that will not be the case at County for much longer. Not all the McGregor family are as committed as the father. It can only be a matter of time before Livi and St Mirren go into similar decline. The Board Statement at the AGM regarding the need for investment was no surprise. Once the euphoria of being a fan owned club has started to wear off it sounds like reality has kicked in. But if we do stay up (hopefully) with or without Hammell, then what happens after that? Whilst remaining in the Premiership, how do we construct a team any better than we now have? I for one fear more of the same, year on year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, MearnsWell said: Kyle Lafferty has left Killie… Surely not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, MearnsWell said: Kyle Lafferty has left Killie… Christ I'd give up if that cunt signed for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 If we have got decent money for Sol it's good business, was on 3 ye deal so hopefully good fee. Nice guy but last few games showed how poor he is. If we don't have centre half lined up we are in deep you know what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, grizzlyg said: If we have got decent money for Sol it's good business, was on 3 ye deal so hopefully good fee. Nice guy but last few games showed how poor he is. If we don't have centre half lined up we are in deep you know what Agreed. Thanks for the megaphones, sorry, memories Sol eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If we have got decent money for Sol it's good business, was on 3 ye deal so hopefully good fee. Nice guy but last few games showed how poor he is. If we don't have centre half lined up we are in deep you know what We are already in the deep you know what - previously we had people masquerading we need centre halves 1 maybe 2 left back holding /battling midfield x2 striker Appreciate still time but I’ve not heard any noise from the club at any point that gives me confidence that these glaring gaps will be solved says it all when we look at stmirren with envy - poor show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Tony Watt allegedly having a medical at St Mirren, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/64416376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 ffs lads any chance we can put the alexander novals written above to bed , and not darken our door with his shite name again heez not here anymore and we are still arguing about him lets just feckin bin it 😡 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: We are already in the deep you know what - previously we had people masquerading we need centre halves 1 maybe 2 left back holding /battling midfield x2 striker Appreciate still time but I’ve not heard any noise from the club at any point that gives me confidence that these glaring gaps will be solved says it all when we look at stmirren with envy - poor show My thoughts exactly. With Penny and Sol gone, I think we need a left back, centre half and battling midfielder by the end of the night or we're in big trouble! You can add a striker to that as well if Mandron is out for any length of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, smiddy said: ffs lads any chance we can put the alexander novals written above to bed , and not darken our door with his shite name again heez not here anymore and we are still arguing about him lets just feckin bin it 😡 Hear hear smiddy, glad it's not just me thinking that. Old news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 theres a parks of hamilton bus just pulled up outside firpark full of guys in differant coloured track suits and stevie hammil and brian kerr have just jumped on askin if " can anybody on here play LB, CH, and CF, oh and big staunch lafferty is the bus driver, go on stevie ask him would you take him mr yodo ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Connor Shields loan move to Queens Park now official. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Solohom out for a fee rumoured to be between 200-300 euro is good business from the club and shields shipped out on loan is good we need 2xcb a Lb a Dm and a forward in the next 6 hours its not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 I swear to god I better not hear 'a bit short of bodies' in any press conference after this transfer window! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, smiddy said: theres a parks of hamilton bus just pulled up outside firpark full of guys in differant coloured track suits and stevie hammil and brian kerr have just jumped on askin if " can anybody on here play LB, CH, and CF, oh and big staunch lafferty is the bus driver, go on stevie ask him would you take him mr yodo ???? Yes as long as the season disnae run intae July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, thewelllfan said: Solohom out for a fee rumoured to be between 200-300 euro is good business from the club and shields shipped out on loan is good we need 2xcb a Lb a Dm and a forward in the next 6 hours its not looking good. Won a watch there was poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, thewelllfan said: Solohom out for a fee rumoured to be between 200-300 euro is good business from the club and shields shipped out on loan is good we need 2xcb a Lb a Dm and a forward in the next 6 hours its not looking good. Hope you forgot to add the word thousand after 300 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I swear to god I better not hear 'a bit short of bodies' in any press conference after this transfer window! If we don't get players in I guarantee Hammy will be...... disappointed!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 I am calling it now last chicken at Sainsbury's signing Kyle Lafferty I can just see where this transfer window is heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 According to STV news, we are trying to bring in another 2 players tonight, no clues as to who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I am calling it now last chicken at Sainsbury's signing Kyle Lafferty I can just see where this transfer window is heading. A year or so ago I would have taken Kyle Lafferty in a heartbeat but not now. He’s barely played at Killie this season plus he’s 35 years old and by all accounts a bit of a helmet of a guy. I wouldn’t imagine he’s on our radar anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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