grizzlyg Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Big Wispy Flossy said: Yeah a good few in the team including the manager are ex Colville park too Also, their budget is on a par with many league one clubs. still some laugh And best half time pies in Scotland surely when you see who the chairman is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: And best half time pies in Scotland surely when you see who the chairman is And their manager does a good piri piri chicken. Must be some hospitality buffet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 10 hours ago, star sail said: I think unfortunately it shows just how poor the standard is in the top division of Scottish Football. If the top teams in Scotland were truly professional, results like tonight would never happen. It is a fairytale result for Darvel but embarrassing for Scottish Football in general. Could Motherwell ever beat Barcelona? No. It would never happen and that would be two full time professional teams playing each other. The gulf between a Junior Team and a full time team in Scotland should be as big as that but it is not. As fans we accept the mediocrity in the professional game in Scotland all to readily. Most worryingly of all Darvel looked the better team throughout. That was no fluke result. Think it shows some guys get a break to make it professionally, some if the darvel guys looked better " footballers " than Aberdeen players, sliding doors , if you like . Darvel are probably a better team than Sligo so we can't get too cocky. Still funny, tbh, don't think Goodwin is a bad manager, but a bit like Jack Ross, maybe destined for a life of punditry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Well done to Darvel. Possibly one of the biggest cup upsets in Scottish football history. To put things in perspective though, I'd like to compare their wage bill, and those of several other non senior league teams, with those of Divison 1 or 2 clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Let's be honest there is no way premiershipship sides should be losing to non league part time teams, Darvel rode their luck last night, a big deflection for their goal, an Aberdeen goal flagged offside, when Clarkson was a yard on, combined with Aberdeen being embarrassingly bad gave them the result. As we saw ourselves against Sligo if your attitude on the day is as bad as your play then you get nothing, this applies to any team you play, not just the lower and non league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: Let's be honest there is no way premiershipship sides should be losing to non league part time teams, Darvel rode their luck last night, a big deflection for their goal, an Aberdeen goal flagged offside, when Clarkson was a yard on, combined with Aberdeen being embarrassingly bad gave them the result. As we saw ourselves against Sligo if your attitude on the day is as bad as your play then you get nothing, this applies to any team you play, not just the lower and non league teams. Think that's harsh on darvel, a few of their players could easily have been in that Aberdeen team had they chosen a different path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 43 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said: Think that's harsh on darvel, a few of their players could easily have been in that Aberdeen team had they chosen a different path. No it's not, yes there are a few of the Darvel team that have played for league teams but they are part time and at Darvel because they were not good enough to play at a higher level and make a living solely as a pro footballer the WOS premier league is their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellwell91 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: No it's not, yes there are a few of the Darvel team that have played for league teams but they are part time and at Darvel because they were not good enough to play at a higher level and make a living solely as a pro footballer the WOS premier league is their level. Think you’ll find the Darvel are paying better wages than most League 1 and League 2 teams. The majority of their players are playing there for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: No it's not, yes there are a few of the Darvel team that have played for league teams but they are part time and at Darvel because they were not good enough to play at a higher level and make a living solely as a pro footballer the WOS premier league is their level. Having watched a lot of Lowland League football I would say that would easily be their current level but I think they would probably do OK in the 2nd division. Another Gretna in the making perhaps with the amount of cash thats being pumped into them by Mr Killie Pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermarv Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: No it's not, yes there are a few of the Darvel team that have played for league teams but they are part time and at Darvel because they were not good enough to play at a higher level and make a living solely as a pro footballer the WOS premier league is their level. Obviously don’t know much about the lower league game then. Just as an example Darvels right back was in league 2 team of the season last season and very easily could’ve steeped up the ladder. They throw silly money at it but create a good atmosphere with good characters. The players you claim “aren’t good enough for a higher level” some of them dropped down to Darvel from the likes of Falkirk, Ayr, East Fife due to money there manager owns Black Rooster and their chairman has Killie Pie, QTS are massive sponsors too. As has been seen and proven by the likes of Cove and Kelty these teams down in the lower leagues can put compete and out pay other clubs above them. So could many more clubs, however before slating Darvel do a bit of research, they also played brilliantly and deserved the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, supermarv said: As has been seen and proven by the likes of Cove and Kelty these teams down in the lower leagues can put compete and out pay other clubs above them. So could many more clubs, however before slating Darvel do a bit of research, they also played brilliantly and deserved the win. I don't watch lower league football tbh but I was just wondering have the likes of Cove, Kelty and Darvel generally always been better at paying wages than some of the professional league sides or have has this come about since the introduction of the pyramid system. I remember tagging along to an East Kilbride game five years ago and noticed Craig Reid playing for them only a few seasons after being with us, plus they had a few other recognisable names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, pretzel said: I don't watch lower league football tbh but I was just wondering have the likes of Cove, Kelty and Darvel generally always been better at paying wages than some of the professional league sides or have has this come about since the introduction of the pyramid system. I remember tagging along to an East Kilbride game five years ago and noticed Craig Reid playing for them only a few seasons after being with us, plus they had a few other recognisable names. All 3 of the above have serious money men behind them. If you believe the rumours some of the Darvel guys are reputed to be on upwards of £250 a week, 5 years ago they were in the bottom league of the old Juniors and didn't pay their players. A wee peek into the WOSL forum in P&B is very enlightening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 As fascinating as this is (and I hate to be that guy) is this not the Ins & Outs thread? Unless we're signing someone from Darvel...? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 hours ago, supermarv said: Obviously don’t know much about the lower league game then. Just as an example Darvels right back was in league 2 team of the season last season and very easily could’ve steeped up the ladder. They throw silly money at it but create a good atmosphere with good characters. The players you claim “aren’t good enough for a higher level” some of them dropped down to Darvel from the likes of Falkirk, Ayr, East Fife due to money there manager owns Black Rooster and their chairman has Killie Pie, QTS are massive sponsors too. As has been seen and proven by the likes of Cove and Kelty these teams down in the lower leagues can put compete and out pay other clubs above them. So could many more clubs, however before slating Darvel do a bit of research, they also played brilliantly and deserved the win. They still should not be beating Aberdeen. The problem for me is that Aberdeen did not go into the game with the correct mental attitude. You could apply the same argument to our defeat against Sligo. It is a lack of professionalism that seems to show itself time and again in Scotland and seems to be excused time and again. We seem more than happy at times to make excuses for the teams in the top division, the classic being ' it is too early in the season' when Scottish teams get dumped out of Europe in July by part time European minnows. A team of tradesman, fisherman, bank managers and school teachers should never be beating a full time professional football team at any time of the year. To try and masquerade this post as an ins and Outs discussion ( sorry Melvin), would we sign any of those Darvel players for Motherwell? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermarv Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, star sail said: They still should not be beating Aberdeen. The problem for me is that Aberdeen did not go into the game with the correct mental attitude. You could apply the same argument to our defeat against Sligo. It is a lack of professionalism that seems to show itself time and again in Scotland and seems to be excused time and again. We seem more than happy at times to make excuses for the teams in the top division, the classic being ' it is too early in the season' when Scottish teams get dumped out of Europe in July by part time European minnows. A team of tradesman, fisherman, bank managers and school teachers should never be beating a full time professional football team at any time of the year. To try and masquerade this post as an ins and Outs discussion ( sorry Melvin), would we sign any of those Darvel players for Motherwell? Probably not. Of course. No way they should be beating Aberdeen. But their team could easily compete in league 1 if playing at that level every week so could a few others in lowland etc. They’ve stepped up there game and Aberdeen went in with the wrong attitude these surprises happen luckily it wasn’t us this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 There are a few more clubs like Darvel, Kelty and Cove who can easily compete with lower level senior clubs. Pretty professional outfits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Barry Maguire to Dundee on loan? (Rancid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 As it's in and outs discussion can we borrow Darvel Manager to do pre match team talks? Was a belter last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: As it's in and outs discussion can we borrow Darvel Manager to do pre match team talks? Was a belter last night A bit ****ing short of ****ing explet-****ing*ives compared to ****ing Hammel's ****ing team ****ing talk in the ****ing Arbroath ****ing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, weeyin said: A bit ****ing short of ****ing explet-****ing*ives compared to ****ing Hammel's ****ing team ****ing talk in the ****ing Arbroath ****ing game. Hammy a bit animated then? Certainly done the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 20 hours ago, santheman said: tbh I'm not in the slightest bit surprised at the result, even put a speculative tenner on them last week at 45/1 I watch quite a bit of the WOSL when the 'Well arent playing and have seen Darvel 4 times this season. Packed full of players with senior experience and they're no mugs. It could quite easily have been us. Even better one of their coaches is a diehard 'Well fan. ah you must be refering to the man in the track suit on the back pages of the paper SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, smiddy said: ah you must be refering to the man in the track suit on the back pages of the paper SD That's the one Smiddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Barry Maguire to Dundee on loan? (Rancid) That would be a sensible move for both Barry and Dundee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 47 minutes ago, wellfan said: That would be a sensible move for both Barry and Dundee. Still think he’s a decent player and could do us a turn if he gets over his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 According to Scott Burns we're looking to get the Riku Danzaki deal done today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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