Kevin Van Veen

[David]

3 hours ago, steelboy said:

He'll just go in the huff and down tools until we let him leave.

I think he'd be incredibly stupid to do that. Clubs who are looking to buy a player do more than just check his recent form and statistics. They check the personality, how they act and their attitude. If he's going in the huff and being problematic with us, potential buying clubs could think that he'd just as easily do the same with them, causing dressing room issues and so forth.

I think he knows that if he doesn't get a decent move this summer, he could knock some goals in again next season (maybe not to the level of this season, but still a healthy return) and then get an even bigger move when he can leave for nothing. Either way, it's win/win for him, and he has said that he's not dead-set on moving, but simply that if the right offer came in that suited all parties he wouldn't be opposed to it.

[steelboy]

3 hours ago, weeyin said:

Getting cash for someone that had signed a pre-contract and was going to leave  for free in a few months, and that player going on to score a total of 1 goal that season, sounds like good business to me.

You sound bitter because your CEO application was rejected.

One goal that enabled United to finish above us.

[Happy Dosser]

2 hours ago, David said:

I think he'd be incredibly stupid to do that. Clubs who are looking to buy a player do more than just check his recent form and statistics. They check the personality, how they act and their attitude. If he's going in the huff and being problematic with us, potential buying clubs could think that he'd just as easily do the same with them, causing dressing room issues and so forth.

I think he knows that if he doesn't get a decent move this summer, he could knock some goals in again next season (maybe not to the level of this season, but still a healthy return) and then get an even bigger move when he can leave for nothing. Either way, it's win/win for him, and he has said that he's not dead-set on moving, but simply that if the right offer came in that suited all parties he wouldn't be opposed to it.

I would have to agree with that. Clubs don't want huffy types who might cause dissent  or undermine the manager.

KVV has actually impressed me recently in his interviews by both what he said about our club and his general super-confident attitude (typical of Dutch players).

[steelboy]

2 hours ago, David said:

I think he'd be incredibly stupid to do that.

It worked for Tony Watt.

[smiddy]

On 4/26/2023 at 1:02 PM, David said:

Then unless he's really pushing for a move this summer we should probably keep him and let him leave for nothing the following summer. He'd likely get a bigger contract if he does the business for another year and his next club doesn't have to pay a transfer fee for him.

By my reckoning £200,000 is not far off the difference in prize money for finishing 7th rather than 8th. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest his goals this season have made the difference between us finishing in 10th or even 11th and potentially 7th, which is a prize money difference of around half a million quid.

Basically, his goals alone could be worth anywhere up to half a million next season to us again. So why punt him for less than half that and gamble on the next striker in the door coming close to replicating his form?

because an unhappy KVV will maybe give not one flying feck for us if we block his move for more money at this stage in his career, and we know how he plays when heez in a huff

[stv]

200k is well short of his value to another team. That is an absolute pittance when you are talking about a guy that will have scored 25 goals for a team like us. It’s no as if he’s been playing with top quality players beside him. Morelos couldn’t get that total in this league when he was playing well.
Every team is looking for a striker and willing to pay for them. No way he will stay in Scotland if he’s off it will be down south for a decent wad.  £200,00 aye right, that’s peanuts for those teams to take a gamble on a striker in the transfer market now a days.

[weeyin]

A player's only value is what someone will pay for them. The closer they get to their contract expiring the lower the value.

Doesn't matter if it's KVV or Harry Kane.

[Yabba's Turd]

Except 83-84. lowest league scorers and a 15 point haul.
Dark days

[joewarkfanclub]

There is absolutely no way we should be letting KVV go for £200k.

The hardest thing in football is to put the ball in the back of the net.

The guy has 12 months left on his contract.

Unless its silly money we should ensure he fulfills that.

That way he needs a good final season because it will ensure he goes for free and the big money goes right into his pocket.

Anything else is madness!

[Yabba's Turd]

11 hours ago, Robbos boy said:

Wow, just post negativity are you MJC in disguise, 2 years out of 60 we didn't find one, still think its no a bad list of goalscorers between Sinjy and Kvv. 

That's not negative, that's facts, we were rotten, have had rotten seasons even with decent returns from strikers, to return to your point, we don't 'ALWAYS' find strikers, we have purple patches, probably more than we statistically should have. And no, I'm not MJC, I don't believe in fairy tales.

[MelvinBragg]

18 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said:

That's not negative, that's facts, we were rotten, have had rotten seasons even with decent returns from strikers, to return to your point, we don't 'ALWAYS' find strikers, we have purple patches, probably more than we statistically should have. 

I do wonder about this. It feels to me like we've had quality attackers more often than the other clubs of a similar size like Killie or St Mirren. Our list is impressive 

McDonald 

Higdon

McFadden

Sutton

Moult

Murphy

Van Veen 

McCormack

Porter

and there are others I've probably forgotten (Jutkiewicz and Blackman suddenly pop into my head) over the last 20 years. So we've seldom in that period gone without at least one good attacking player...

 

[Yabba's Turd]

Stats, fucking love them.

1. Hugh Ferguson 284 in 301, 0.94
2. Iain St John -80 in 113, 0.7
3. William MacFadyen 235 in 387, 0.62
4. Michael Higdon - 40 in 72, 0.55
5. Dixie Deans - 78 in 152, 0.51
6. Wullie Pettigrew - 80 in 166, 0.48
7. KVV -29 in 65, 0.45
8. Tommy Coyne 57 in 132, 0.43
9. Louis Moult 39 in 91, 0.42
10. Pat Quinn 83 in 196, 0.42
11. John Sutton - 66 in 174, 0.38
12. Chris Porter 23 in 59, 0.38
13. Lucas Jukey - 12 goals in 33 ,0.36
14. Scott McDonald 66 in 191, 0.34
15. James McFadden - 37 in 112, 0.33
16. John Spencer 18 in 54, 0.33
17. Bobby Graham 37 in 132, 0.28
18. Dougie Arnott 59 in 240, 0.24
19. David Clarkson 49 in 226, 0.22
20. Steve Kirk 63 in 301, 0.21
21. Dirk Lehmann 9 in 43, 0.21
22. Ross McCormack 10 in 48, 0.2
23. Henrik Ojamaa 14 in 73, 0.19
24. Jamie Murphy 34 in 176, 0.19
25. Lee McCulloch 21 in 124, 0.17

[grizzlyg]

29 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said:

Stats, fucking love them.

1. Hugh Ferguson 284 in 301, 0.94
2. Iain St John -80 in 113, 0.7
3. William MacFadyen 235 in 387, 0.62
4. Michael Higdon - 40 in 72, 0.55
5. Dixie Deans - 78 in 152, 0.51
6. Wullie Pettigrew - 80 in 166, 0.48
7. KVV -29 in 65, 0.45
8. Tommy Coyne 57 in 132, 0.43
9. Louis Moult 39 in 91, 0.42
10. Pat Quinn 83 in 196, 0.42
11. John Sutton - 66 in 174, 0.38
12. Chris Porter 23 in 59, 0.38
13. Lucas Jukey - 12 goals in 33 ,0.36
14. Scott McDonald 66 in 191, 0.34
15. James McFadden - 37 in 112, 0.33
16. John Spencer 18 in 54, 0.33
17. Bobby Graham 37 in 132, 0.28
18. Dougie Arnott 59 in 240, 0.24
19. David Clarkson 49 in 226, 0.22
20. Steve Kirk 63 in 301, 0.21
21. Dirk Lehmann 9 in 43, 0.21
22. Ross McCormack 10 in 48, 0.2
23. Henrik Ojamaa 14 in 73, 0.19
24. Jamie Murphy 34 in 176, 0.19
25. Lee McCulloch 21 in 124, 0.17

Carlsberg don't do stonkin stats....but if they did........

[Yabba's Turd]

Hughie Ferguson would be worth 100m with that return, tragic story and the man who sclaffed the FA out of England for the only time in it's history.

[joewarkfanclub]

6 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said:

Hughie Ferguson would be worth 100m with that return, tragic story and the man who sclaffed the FA out of England for the only time in it's history.

I was aware of the goals record, but not of the circumstances surrounding his death.

Very sad........

[grizzlyg]

46 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

I was aware of the goals record, but not of the circumstances surrounding his death.

Very sad........

Same here, read article about him, so tragic

[well_said]

He seemed to have quite a lot of injuries in his career, who knows how many he could have scored if had always been fit. 

[Kmcalpin]

8 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said:

Hughie Ferguson would be worth 100m with that return, tragic story and the man who sclaffed the FA out of England for the only time in it's history.

Although none of us alive today saw him play, he's an all time legend, and top of my personal Hall of fame List. My late father, as a young boy,  did see him in action though. Hughie could do nothing for 89 minutes but give him a sniff of goal and the ball would be in the net. As others say, his is a tragic story and one that deserves to be more widely publicised. Thanks to Yabba for bringing it up. Great stats.

[clueless]

What about Joe McBride?

According to motherwellnet 88 goals in 131 games - Summer Cup and others included, mind.

 

[Ya Bezzer!]

On 4/27/2023 at 2:59 PM, David said:

I think he'd be incredibly stupid to do that. Clubs who are looking to buy a player do more than just check his recent form and statistics. They check the personality, how they act and their attitude. If he's going in the huff and being problematic with us, potential buying clubs could think that he'd just as easily do the same with them, causing dressing room issues and so forth.

You Tube brought up Scotland's play off match against Serbia, a mere three years ago, and there was Leigh Griffiths knocking home a penalty in a Scotland shirt.

Now he's playing for Wodonga Platypuses.  Or something.

[Ya Bezzer!]

13 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said:

Stats, fucking love them.

1. Hugh Ferguson 284 in 301, 0.94
2. Iain St John -80 in 113, 0.7
3. William MacFadyen 235 in 387, 0.62
4. Michael Higdon - 40 in 72, 0.55
5. Dixie Deans - 78 in 152, 0.51
6. Wullie Pettigrew - 80 in 166, 0.48
7. KVV -29 in 65, 0.45
8. Tommy Coyne 57 in 132, 0.43
9. Louis Moult 39 in 91, 0.42
10. Pat Quinn 83 in 196, 0.42
11. John Sutton - 66 in 174, 0.38
12. Chris Porter 23 in 59, 0.38
13. Lucas Jukey - 12 goals in 33 ,0.36
14. Scott McDonald 66 in 191, 0.34
15. James McFadden - 37 in 112, 0.33
16. John Spencer 18 in 54, 0.33
17. Bobby Graham 37 in 132, 0.28
18. Dougie Arnott 59 in 240, 0.24
19. David Clarkson 49 in 226, 0.22
20. Steve Kirk 63 in 301, 0.21
21. Dirk Lehmann 9 in 43, 0.21
22. Ross McCormack 10 in 48, 0.2
23. Henrik Ojamaa 14 in 73, 0.19
24. Jamie Murphy 34 in 176, 0.19
25. Lee McCulloch 21 in 124, 0.17

Without wanting to take anything away from the pre war era football it's worth nothing that in Ferguson/MacFadyen era teams lined up with 5 forwards and 2 defenders.

[wellfan]

2 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Wodonga Platypuses

Where all neds go to retire disgracefully. 

[texanwellfan]

4 hours ago, clueless said:

What about Joe McBride?

According to motherwellnet 88 goals in 131 games - Summer Cup and others included, mind.

 

Yes I noticed the lack of his name right away. 

[Yabba's Turd]

9 hours ago, clueless said:

What about Joe McBride?

According to motherwellnet 88 goals in 131 games - Summer Cup and others included, mind.

 

I never said this was definitive, more of a through the ages glance at forwards we had, tried to include each decade, but I wasn't doing the knowledge, interesting to see the ratios of GPG, if I truly gave a fuck I'd do a deep dive and look at percentage of team goals for each season and total goals scored, but I'm on holiday so, martinis for breakfast it is.

[Yabba's Turd]

5 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

Yes I noticed the lack of his name right away. 

I was pulling names from memory to compare with Melvin Bragg's list of recent strikers, apologies for missing the obvious, it was late.