Hearts v Motherwell 06/11/2022

[Mortonhallwell]

Results like today and when Ross County beat us after they went down to 10 men tell us about the character of the team. We don't have any. No-one stands up and leads by example . We desperately need a Peter Hartley type figure on the pitch as there are no leaders in our squad never mind the first 11.

[pretzel]

Just now, GrahamH said:

Goss definitely looked inside to me. Should have been checked and if inside the penalty claim should have been checked.

Yeah Goss was miles onside and the ref gave that decision as offside. 

Just seen that Moults volley struck Sibbick in the arm and went out. 

[spudmfc]

1 minute ago, GrahamH said:

Goss definitely looked inside to me. Should have been checked and if inside the penalty claim should have been checked.

Only going on radio commentary,if the flag goes up they can't check anything that happens afterwards

[MelvinBragg]

13 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:

Not to this degree, I know it’s not popular to post anything linked to the coaching, just my opinion.

Correctamundo....

[MJC]

8 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

You really are turning into a boring arsehole with the  constant "we're going to lose, game over negative pish"so how about giving us all a break and try some positivity for a change

It’s just so infuriatingly predictable I’m afraid. It might be boring to read but the pattern is there for all to see.
 

We lose the first goal = we lose the game.

That has been the case in every single match we have played this season where we have conceded first.

We make sloppy passes, we miss chances, we give away cheap goals, we look less hungry than the opposition. All of that has been evident from us this season.

I said during the game when it was 2-1 and we were in the middle of our best spell of the game that I thought Hearts would run up the park and make it 3-1 and kill it off. I was wrong about that, but there was still the predictability over them winning it 3-2 once we’d managed to get it back to 2-2. 
 

Once the team starts looking as though they are learning from their mistakes and shows that they are capable of not losing a game where we lose the first goal then I’ll stop boring you and everyone else on this forum and the admins/mods can quote me on that.

[fizoxy]

We need good players, I don't care whether they're shouty or not. The scary part is that the 11 that started are probably the best we have available (given moult can't play a whole game). Not having viable options coming of the bench is killing us.

We did pull it back from 2-0 down, so I'm not buying the whole "character" thing. We were pressing them up to the final whistle and they were hanging on, so we hardly chucked it. The problem is that we have too many spots occupied by lower division standard players.

[Welldaft Mk1]

22 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Hearts should have absolutely buried us in the first half.

We've lost a goal in first half injury time and against 10 men.

Gordon HAS to be sent off but isn't because he's the cuddly toy of Scottish football.

Come back from 0-2.

Lose it to a penalty right at the end.

What's it like being a Motherwell supporter, eh?

As of right now it is utter shite. 

See if we had lost 2-0 to an 11 man Hearts team you could understand as they have better players. 

But to get back to 2-2 and then lost so late on is a real kick in the haw maws. Just serves to piss me off and most other Well fans more than we ordinarily would be…

[MelvinBragg]

1 minute ago, fizoxy said:

We need good players, I don't care whether they're shouty or not. The scary part is that the 11 that started are probably the best we have available (given moult can't play a whole game). Not having viable options coming of the bench is killing us.

We did pull it back from 2-0 down, so I'm not buying the whole "character" thing. We were pressing them up to the final whistle and they were hanging on, so we hardly chucked it. The problem is that we have too many spots occupied by lower division standard players.

I'm sorry but the coaching staff need looked at as well here. If players are making the same mistakes week in, week out why is the eleven the same every week? Cornelius is there if you think the midfield is the problem. Allows you to move Spittal up top if you think the wingers are an issue...

Manager needs to take a long hard look at himself...

[Stevie73]

Can’t wait for the Alexander esc after match analysis, we can’t keep conceding cheap goals(every week), decisions don’t go our way, deal with the problem so we don’t need to rely on decisions. Midfield is shite, defence is probably the worst in the league.

[pretzel]

7 minutes ago, spudmfc said:

Only going on radio commentary,if the flag goes up they can't check anything that happens afterwards

I remember watching a Newcastle game where Lord Voldemort burst through on goal but was flagged offside but he kept going and scored but all the Sheffield United players had stopped including the keeper and the goal stood after the VAR check. I'm honestly stumped at how certain situations work as the Goss incident has massively penalised us and benefitted Hearts when this technology has supposed to help us. Anyway I think our biggest fear is coming to fruition with the same old piss poor refs reviewing clear incidents.

This World Cup break can't come soon enough. We are desperate for some quality additions in our squad but I bet new face don't arrive until the final day of the transfer window.

[spudmfc]

Just now, pretzel said:

I remember watching a Newcastle game where Lord Voldemort burst through on goal but was flagged offside but he kept going and scored but all the Sheffield United players had stopped including the keeper and the goal stood after the VAR check. I'm honestly stumped at how certain situations work as the Goss incident has massively penalised us and benefitted Hearts when this technology has supposed to help us. Anyway I think our biggest fear is coming to fruition with the same old piss poor refs reviewing clear incidents.

This World Cup break can't come soon enough. We are desperate for some quality additions in our squad but I bet new face don't arrive until the final day of the transfer window.

I stand corrected m8... VAR is not the problem,it's the officials on and off the park

[mio]

2 minutes ago, Stevie73 said:

, defence is probably the worst in the league.

The only thing that prevents this is Dundee Utd’s Lee Hollis v2 goalie. 
Kelly covers for our defensive limitations 

Ah well, I’m sure we’ll be fine on Wednesday 

[Spit_It_Out]

They need to advertise for  footballing basics coach much know how to pass,track back and most importantly tackle!

How Shields got an extra 10 mins after half time is mind boggling Hammel got it wrong at half time Moult should have been on.If we can't get 45 mins out him then time to send him back to Burton.

[wellfan]

7 minutes ago, mio said:

The only thing that prevents this is Dundee Utd’s Lee Hollis v2 goalie. 
Kelly covers for our defensive limitations 

Ah well, I’m sure we’ll be fine on Wednesday 

 

[GazzyB]

Don't think we were/are anywhere near as bad as people making us out to be. We weren't particularly good today, but it wasn't quite the bombscare I'm reading. We were far FAR better with Moult and KVV through the middle with McKinstry drifting about in behind them, I'd like to see us continue with that. I'd also like to see us not let an opposition player run 30/40/50 yards with the ball resulting in a goal for the other team.

 

I had initially said we would make the top six this season, but unless we can beat teams like Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts once in a while it's unfortunately going to be beyond us. Not a chance we'll be in a relegation fight but unfortunately I can't see a top six finish any more.

 

Really pleased to see Moult coming on after the chat of him seeing specialists/he might be done. He looks rusty as fuck but the movement/threat is there. Hopefully he can use the world cup to build up his fitness and we can get something from him for the rest of the season.

[Orinoco]

Losing three goals to 10 men is poor what ever way you look at it.  We need a proper defensive midfield player who's mobile.

Gordon should have been off, and hearts down to 9 men.  Massive advantage..

For all of the var hype, it is only highlighting how bloody awful our officials are.  If the officials on the pitch  don't know the rules, var officials should be correcting decisions like Gordon's lack of 2nd yellow.  That decision was a game changer. Every game fans who did not want var, expect var to check for errors are now baffled by inconsistent or lack of checks. Now we have double feck ups by the officials.

Scottish football is a joke and going nowhere.  

[GazzyB]

I also agree that it's a shambolic decision not to send off Gordon but VAR can't do anything about it.

[Yorkyred]

3 minutes ago, GazzyB said:

Don't think we were/are anywhere near as bad as people making us out to be. We weren't particularly good today, but it wasn't quite the bombscare I'm reading. We were far FAR better with Moult and KVV through the middle with McKinstry drifting about in behind them, I'd like to see us continue with that. I'd also like to see us not let an opposition player run 30/40/50 yards with the ball resulting in a goal for the other team.

 

I had initially said we would make the top six this season, but unless we can beat teams like Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts once in a while it's unfortunately going to be beyond us. Not a chance we'll be in a relegation fight but unfortunately I can't see a top six finish any more.

 

Really pleased to see Moult coming on after the chat of him seeing specialists/he might be done. He looks rusty as fuck but the movement/threat is there. Hopefully he can use the world cup to build up his fitness and we can get something from him for the rest of the season.

IF we can get him fit he would be the difference between the struggle it is now and a comfortable position but again as above we need to start getting the basics right with the other players, and it is the basics.

[mfc]

9 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:

IF we can get him fit he would be the difference between the struggle it is now and a comfortable position but again as above we need to start getting the basics right with the other players, and it is the basics.

Exactly we have no chance if the basics aren't being done,the standard of goals we give away are criminal,fitness levels are questionable as well,too many were blowing out the arse towards the end of that game.

[Welldaft Mk1]

19 minutes ago, GazzyB said:

Don't think we were/are anywhere near as bad as people making us out to be. We weren't particularly good today, but it wasn't quite the bombscare I'm reading. We were far FAR better with Moult and KVV through the middle with McKinstry drifting about in behind them, I'd like to see us continue with that. I'd also like to see us not let an opposition player run 30/40/50 yards with the ball resulting in a goal for the other team.

Your last sentence sums up why we are losing games. It is not like it has happened once. This allowing opposition players to run unopposed is costing us dearly. I have not seen the highlights / goals.  Tempted not to watch them as I will only be more angry than I am now. And that would be difficult. 

Angry at the soft goals we conceded. Angry at the piss poor officiating. How Gordon is not given another yellow after conceding a penalty. That is basic refereeing. We would have still no doubt ballsed it up but against 9 men we may have got a point. Also suggestions Goss was fouled and onside which could have resulted in a penalty. 

Not getting the breaks but creating our own problems. Only Celtic up next ! I might have calmed down by then. Might…..

[Spit_It_Out]

3 minutes ago, mfc said:

Exactly we have no chance if the basics aren't being done,the standard of goals we give away are criminal,fitness levels are questionable as well,too many were blowing out the arse towards the end of that game.

I honestly think this is the worst set of tacklers I have ever seen in a Well shirt.We are void of a natural leader.

Folk moan about the defence week in week out but when the midfield do not track back do not stick a foot in it's always going to be open season.

 

 

[Motherwellfc1991]

Put simply we don’t have the standard of player to compete in the league over a season and that combined with an inexperienced manager and ex head of academy under whose stewardship we have failed to produce any 17-21 year olds who can break into the first team we have the recipe for a relegation scrap. 
 

Questions need to be asked of the monumental  fuck up by the board and burrows in giving out contracts and money to Alexander and his merry men . Problem is no questions will be asked as they have it sewn up with a conflict of interest by voting one another onto the club and well society boards along with their happy clappy mates who wouldn’t dare question the mess we are now in both on and off the park. 
 

if Stevie hammell thinks Blair spittal is the best we’ve got to start every week then I’ll see you all in Greenock and cove next season . The guy can’t run , tackle or even show an ounce of effort - a proper footballing wage thief if ever I’ve seen one . 

[mfc]

Just now, Spit_It_Out said:

I honestly think this is the worst set of tacklers I have ever seen in a Well shirt.We are void of a natural leader.

Folk moan about the defence week in week out but when the midfield do not track back do not stick a foot in it's always going to be open season.

 

 

Totally agree with that,we don't have the legs in midfield to get about the pitch,when the opposition is goal side of our midfield there all totally out the game,that 3rd hearts goals sums it up,nobody getting close enough to make a tackle.

[Stuwell2]

Hammell should have been badgering the 4th official during the VAR review demanding a second yellow for Gordon to the extent that he got sent off if Gordon didn’t. That would have put the referee in a position. 

[smiddy]

4 minutes ago, Motherwellfc1991 said:

Put simply we don’t have the standard of player to compete in the league over a season and that combined with an inexperienced manager and ex head of academy under whose stewardship we have failed to produce any 17-21 year olds who can break into the first team we have the recipe for a relegation scrap. 
 

Questions need to be asked of the monumental  fuck up by the board and burrows in giving out contracts and money to Alexander and his merry men . Problem is no questions will be asked as they have it sewn up with a conflict of interest by voting one another onto the club and well society boards along with their happy clappy mates who wouldn’t dare question the mess we are now in both on and off the park. 
 

if Stevie hammell thinks Blair spittal is the best we’ve got to start every week then I’ll see you all in Greenock and cove next season . The guy can’t run , tackle or even show an ounce of effort -

i will up you  an IAN VIGURS