David Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 With Hammell under the spotlight and being scrutinised, I thought it only fair that some of the other key figures at the club see the same discussion. So, Nick Daws. Appointed head of recruitment on June 11th 2021, he was brought in the season after Alexander replaced Robinson, replacing Martin Foyle. It's obvious that Daws was Alexander's guy, having worked with him previously. Let's look at the transfer business we've done since he came in: Justin Amaluzor Kaiyne Woolery Kevin van Veen Liam Kelly Darragh O'Connor Mich'el Parker Callum Slattery Juhani Ojala Sean Goss Sondre Johansen Ross Tierney Jordan Roberts (Initial loan from Hearts, then permanent signing) Victor Nirennold Joseph Efford Robbie Mahon Liam Shaw (Loan from Celtic) Blair Spittal Paul McGinn Josh Morris Aston Oxborough Shane Blaney Stuart McKinstry (Loan from Leeds) Matt Penney (Loan from Ipswich) Rolando Aarons (Loan from Huddersfield) Louis Moult (Loan from Burton) One thing I would point out is that Amaluzor, Woolery, Van Veen and Kelly all arrived within a month of Daws taking the job, so how much we can consider them to be his signings I'm not sure, but it's worth considering that those players were most likely identified if not already being spoken to by the time Daws came in. Anyway, that's his transfer incomings thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, David said: With Hammell under the spotlight and being scrutinised, I thought it only fair that some of the other key figures at the club see the same discussion. So, Nick Daws. Appointed head of recruitment on June 11th 2021, he was brought in the season after Alexander replaced Robinson, replacing Martin Foyle. It's obvious that Daws was Alexander's guy, having worked with him previously. Let's look at the transfer business we've done since he came in: Justin Amaluzor Kaiyne Woolery Kevin van Veen Liam Kelly Darragh O'Connor Mich'el Parker Callum Slattery Juhani Ojala Sean Goss Sondre Johansen Ross Tierney Jordan Roberts (Initial loan from Hearts, then permanent signing) Victor Nirennold Joseph Efford Robbie Mahon Liam Shaw (Loan from Celtic) Blair Spittal Paul McGinn Josh Morris Aston Oxborough Shane Blaney Stuart McKinstry (Loan from Leeds) Matt Penney (Loan from Ipswich) Rolando Aarons (Loan from Huddersfield) Louis Moult (Loan from Burton) One thing I would point out is that Amaluzor, Woolery, Van Veen and Kelly all arrived within a month of Daws taking the job, so how much we can consider them to be his signings I'm not sure, but it's worth considering that those players were most likely identified if not already being spoken to by the time Daws came in. Anyway, that's his transfer incomings thus far. Folye was more successful in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 I'm afraid it's a no from me David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, David said: With Hammell under the spotlight and being scrutinised, I thought it only fair that some of the other key figures at the club see the same discussion. So, Nick Daws. Appointed head of recruitment on June 11th 2021, he was brought in the season after Alexander replaced Robinson, replacing Martin Foyle. It's obvious that Daws was Alexander's guy, having worked with him previously. Let's look at the transfer business we've done since he came in: Justin Amaluzor Kaiyne Woolery Kevin van Veen Liam Kelly Darragh O'Connor Mich'el Parker Callum Slattery Juhani Ojala Sean Goss Sondre Johansen Ross Tierney Jordan Roberts (Initial loan from Hearts, then permanent signing) Victor Nirennold Joseph Efford Robbie Mahon Liam Shaw (Loan from Celtic) Blair Spittal Paul McGinn Josh Morris Aston Oxborough Shane Blaney Stuart McKinstry (Loan from Leeds) Matt Penney (Loan from Ipswich) Rolando Aarons (Loan from Huddersfield) Louis Moult (Loan from Burton) One thing I would point out is that Amaluzor, Woolery, Van Veen and Kelly all arrived within a month of Daws taking the job, so how much we can consider them to be his signings I'm not sure, but it's worth considering that those players were most likely identified if not already being spoken to by the time Daws came in. Anyway, that's his transfer incomings thus far. We really have wasted a fair amount of cash on utter dross when you see some of the names on that list, no wonder we are struggling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, Yorkyred said: Folye was more successful in my view. Although Daws hasn't been here that long I'd have to agree. I think Foyle did a really good job for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 We need to make up our minds - are we now blaming the recruitment guy for transfers? theres no way that daws was identifying arrons, moult or mckinstry in the same way it’s unlikely he was involved in Kelly van veen etc. There will be some players the management identify, some via the recruitment team. Consequently, it’s difficult to apportion blame / credit. The list, irrespective of responsibility, doesn’t make for good reading it has to be said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Foyle > Daws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Wispy Flossy said: We need to make up our minds - are we now blaming the recruitment guy for transfers? theres no way that daws was identifying arrons, moult or mckinstry in the same way it’s unlikely he was involved in Kelly van veen etc. There will be some players the management identify, some via the recruitment team. Consequently, it’s difficult to apportion blame / credit. Good post. Its almost impossible to apportion individual signings to the Head of Recruitment or management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, Kmcalpin said: Good post. Its almost impossible to apportion individual signings to the Head of Recruitment or management. Well, it's an internet forum and the football is giving me the fear, so it's worth a try 😂 Seriously though, I just thought it would be worth mentioning some of the other key players at the club to try and open to conversation from just slating the manager and players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 I wonder what the general success rate is across all teams in our division, and whether we're above or below that line. Hibs must be the worst, they've thrown a whole load of shit at multiple walls to get that first XI, so sometimes moreoney doesn't equal better recruitment. You don't tend to look at other teams dross, instead you see they signed a couple of decent players and assume they're good at signings. I also think there's some rose tinted glasses with Foyle, he signed some good ones, but also some dross squad filler. Daws is the head of recruitment, so he has to be the one accountable for who we sign. I thought the idea of having one of these guys is to ensure there's consistency and forward thinking in our recruitment, and to take the responsibility away from the manager. Unlike Foyle, he hasn't signed anyone good yet. Maybe KVV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Without seeing how much work is done behind the scenes and how many of the recommendations are taken up, not to mention how successful the negotiating team are, its impossible to say. What I do know is that its imperative he has a good January and that the manager and the board get their bit right as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 The problem, at least in some ways, for me is that we hired the current head of recruitment based on their relationship with the manager at the time. Daws worked with Alexander as his assistant at Scunthorpe United, and was obviously Alexander's choice to replace Foyle. The question I have is, did Foyle signal his intent to leave when Robinson got the boot? Or was he effectively removed to make way for Alexander's choice? For a club our size, the head of recruitment is a huge position, and isn't something that should be chosen by whoever the manager at the time is. If Foyle was ousted to make way for Daws then serious questions need to be asked, as he was doing a good job by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Oh its definitely important for a club our size to be maximising the bang for our buck in the transfer market and no doubting the importance of the position. Its just impossible to have an opinion on it with so many unknown variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 5 hours ago, David said: With Hammell under the spotlight and being scrutinised, I thought it only fair that some of the other key figures at the club see the same discussion. So, Nick Daws. Appointed head of recruitment on June 11th 2021, he was brought in the season after Alexander replaced Robinson, replacing Martin Foyle. It's obvious that Daws was Alexander's guy, having worked with him previously. Let's look at the transfer business we've done since he came in: Justin Amaluzor Kaiyne Woolery Kevin van Veen Liam Kelly Darragh O'Connor Mich'el Parker Callum Slattery Juhani Ojala Sean Goss Sondre Johansen Ross Tierney Jordan Roberts (Initial loan from Hearts, then permanent signing) Victor Nirennold Joseph Efford Robbie Mahon Liam Shaw (Loan from Celtic) Blair Spittal Paul McGinn Josh Morris Aston Oxborough Shane Blaney Stuart McKinstry (Loan from Leeds) Matt Penney (Loan from Ipswich) Rolando Aarons (Loan from Huddersfield) Louis Moult (Loan from Burton) One thing I would point out is that Amaluzor, Woolery, Van Veen and Kelly all arrived within a month of Daws taking the job, so how much we can consider them to be his signings I'm not sure, but it's worth considering that those players were most likely identified if not already being spoken to by the time Daws came in. Anyway, that's his transfer incomings thus far. jesus christ David you must have some amount of spare time on your hands ??? just saying like 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Rumour has it , Daws has left the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, well_said said: Rumour has it , Daws has left the building. Within hours of me starting this thread. oops! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, David said: The question I have is, did Foyle signal his intent to leave when Robinson got the boot? Or was he effectively removed to make way for Alexander's choice? A very good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 39 minutes ago, David said: Within hours of me starting this thread. oops! 🤣 I hear he was away long before you started the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, well_said said: I hear he was away long before you started the thread. If true, then good. The Club will be in a much better place once it rids itself of Alexander's legacy (staff and players). A hard reset is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, wellfan said: If true, then good. The Club will be in a much better place once it rids itself of Alexander's legacy (staff and players). A hard reset is required. Completely agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, well_said said: Rumour has it , Daws has left the building. ahhh agent daws, return to alexander base mission ( nearly ) acomplesed youv managed to leave them in shite street with your recomendations good job agent daws, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, well_said said: I hear he was away long before you started the thread. Yeah, I didn't really believe it had anything to do with my thread 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 If away who do we get then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 His brother George just left a gig a couple of weeks back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If away who do we get then? Steelboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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