Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[Spiderpig]

11 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

Kettlewell has his flaws - as will any manager and any player who comes through our club.  If he was the perfect manager he wouldn't be with us and wouldn't be in Scotland.

The pro's come down to
1) his record he's won +40% of games over 70 games.  That's very decent for MFC manager.
2)his workrate and valuing the overall coherence of a team.
3) doing the ugly side of the game well.  
4) playing young talent and given them a chance
5)He  moves on players who aren't to his taste. 

His flaws are
1) A large chunk of signings have proven to be pretty poor. 
2) several signings aka Obika, Callaghan, Nicholson all with proven injury records. 

3) lack of entertainment  - other than youngsters there's not much to get you on your feet (same could be said for vast majority of SPL) 

Overall must be one of the better managers we've had.  Very similar to Robinson's stats.
 

Sensible well reasoned posts like that have no place on this forum. SK could win the treble for us, get us to the champions league groups and the usual SK haters on here would still be obsessed with getting rid of him, eat, sleep, rave about SK , repeat.

[El Grew]

19 hours ago, santheman said:

The thing is nobody knows what players Kettlewell tried to bring into the club at the start of the season. For all we know the players we signed could have been 2nd/3rd/4th choices. I would be more concerned if some of them were his 1st choice though as that would question his judgement or on the other hand could just as easily have reflected our budget constraints.

As far as the style of play is concerned have a look through the forums of all the other teams in the SPL with the possible exception of Celtic and Aberdeen and the fans are all moaning about the same style of football and tactics we are.

It's more down to the quality of the League which is getting worse with each passing season and it's now more about not wanting to lose rather than win a game. I've watched quite a few non Motherwell games this season and they've mostly been all been turgid shit with each team more interested in cancelling the other one out rather than trying to entertain the fans.

If anyone knows of some attack minded free flowing football manager out there who would transform the way we play while keeping within budget and free from relegation then feel free to name him.

Great post.

[Ya Bezzer!]

20 hours ago, David said:

The fact that this discussion is even happening while we're sitting 5th with a four-point lead and a game in hand over the team in 6th spot, and fresh off a cup semi-final loss to Rangers is absolutely wild. 

The last manager to actually take us forward was Graham Alexander so maybe you shouldn't be that surprised.

A lot of our fans are living in cloud cuckoo land and a lot of them use supporting the club as an excuse to target individuals.

The analysis on here in a lot of cases comes down to faces fitting.

[StAndrew7]

You'd have thought with everyone being so well informed about how shite Kettlewell, the players and our tactics are, that they'd have been able to prepare themselves for the result on Sunday and not get too upset, eh?

I do hope that all of the ACLs and other ligaments that have been ripped apart by the knee jerks heal up well.

For the record, Sunday was pish. It wasn't season and managerial career defining by any means. He fucked up and he'll hopefully learn from it moving forward.

Fifth in the league on goal difference with a game in hand on fourth, four points clear of sixth with a game in hand and two games in hand over seventh, a cup semi-final and all with a team playing shite football without a striker who's scoring goals.

[Ya Bezzer!]

4 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:

and a team playing shite football without a striker who's scoring goals.

The whole striker thing is amazing.

We are living in the 21st century when football as a whole has moved away from strikers.

It's a legitimate tactic now not to play with a traditional striker.  

If you even take a look around Europe at the highest level the best strikers are guys like Lewandowski and Kane who, football wise, are from a disappearing era.

I know Motherwell isn't a town that is on the cutting edge of modern development but surely fans have noticed football isn't like the 1980s any more.

[mio]

He’s a Young hard working manager who has built a decent back room team, he’s not went down the old pals route and went for people he didn’t know but knew of their good reputation. A risky thing to do.

improved players and made money out them (van veen) Bought Bair and made him Better and made us a million.

He’s given young players a chance cementing their place in the first team and improving the clubs survival by inevitably selling these players on, ensuring the clubs financial footing. 

We are sitting in a healthy position in the league and did well in the cup getting to the semi. Ultimately failing but we weren’t too far off? Still have another cup ahead of us.

i personally think he’s doing well as a manager (stats prove that) and would be really curious from the people who want him out as to who they would chose to do better? 
I asked this last year and we had Courts, Levein and Tommy wright mentioned. Looking at the 3 brought up to replace him I just think thank fk some of our fan base don’t chose managers.

 

[StAndrew7]

1 minute ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The whole striker thing is amazing.

We are living in the 21st century when football as a whole has moved away from strikers.

It's a legitimate tactic now not to play with a traditional striker.  

If you even take a look around Europe at the highest level the best strikers are guys like Lewandowski and Kane who, football wise, are from a disappearing era.

I know Motherwell isn't a town that is on the cutting edge of modern development but surely fans have noticed football isn't like the 1980s any more.

Aye, absolutely.

All about 'forwards' nowadays rather than the strikers, Haaland and the two you mention aside. Although the supporting cast around him are so good he can essentially just poach like Lineker did in the bygone era etc.

I definitely have issues with Kettlewell's tactics but I do think he's hamstrung by the injuries we have currently. I know it's an excuse but it's glaringly obvious we're missing Paton's ability to carry the ball into the box (something I never thought I'd type, tbh) and Nicholson's creativity.

[joewarkfanclub]

33 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The whole striker thing is amazing.

We are living in the 21st century when football as a whole has moved away from strikers.

It's a legitimate tactic now not to play with a traditional striker.  

If you even take a look around Europe at the highest level the best strikers are guys like Lewandowski and Kane who, football wise, are from a disappearing era.

I know Motherwell isn't a town that is on the cutting edge of modern development but surely fans have noticed football isn't like the 1980s any more.

Who knew Craig Levein was such a visionary!

😆😆😆

[wellon]

4 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

Sensible well reasoned posts like that have no place on this forum. SK could win the treble for us, get us to the champions league groups and the usual SK haters on here would still be obsessed with getting rid of him, eat, sleep, rave about SK , repeat.

Most of the kettlewell haters were Robbo haters too and alexander, ga football was hard to watch and the sligo debacle annoyed me but the other two,  by and large have been good for us

Sunday was disappointing for sure, maybe we just don't have the players , considering all the injuries,  to go toe to toe with Rangers ...look at Aberdeen v Celtic,  God knows what Aberdeen's tactics were.

[stv]

32 minutes ago, wellon said:

look at Aberdeen v Celtic,  God knows what Aberdeen's tactics were.

Don't get beat 7-0.  And they worked.

[joewarkfanclub]

2 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The last manager to actually take us forward was Graham Alexander so maybe you shouldn't be that surprised.

I guess it depends what you mean by moved us forward?

I was all for his appointment in the beginning as he appeared to be a more "out of the box" choice than some of the usual suspects, but IMHO he took our football back to the dark ages.

It was absolutely fine when he was winning games and he deserves a lot of credit for keeping us up in his first 6 months, but what followed after that was abysmal.

He did turn it around, get us top 6 and into Europe (making it absolutely impossible for the board to fire him) but at what cost?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if I was going back now, I wouldnt hire him again.