AllyMax Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Can anyone guess who's fans said this ?? No heart, no passion and no skill. Mish-mash of poor players not performing and a manager with a lack of experience in anything but one system that has now been counteracted by every team in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 11 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: Will be interesting to see - prob similar to when SK got the job - he had a free shot at it for a few weeks . ill be interested to see how frail sets us up / how we changes anything . im hoping finances are not the driver though - although it’s not just Frail (who appears a decent guy) it’s all the others in the mgt team would likely need to be replaced as well As you say, Frail pretty much has a free hit until the end of the season. He does well, then he either walks away or is extended. He doesn’t do well, then he either walks away or isn’t extended, citing that the damage had already been done under Kettlewell. It sure is going to be interesting seeing how Frail sets up his team and to see who he does/doesn’t start etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, AllyMax said: Can anyone guess who's fans said this ?? No heart, no passion and no skill. Mish-mash of poor players not performing and a manager with a lack of experience in anything but one system that has now been counteracted by every team in the league. Spurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: It's not a smokescreen if there were sections of our fans abusing him at the last two games surely Maybe the bigger issue is that fans can be upset without resorting to abuse There must be something more too it then cause I don't believe he's resigned from getting abuse for the last two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, mfc said: There must be something more too it then cause I don't believe he's resigned from getting abuse for the last two games. You're probably right but we'll never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, wellfan said: As you say, Frail pretty much has a free hit until the end of the season. He does well, then he either walks away or is extended. He doesn’t do well, then he either walks away or isn’t extended, citing that the damage had already been done under Kettlewell. It sure is going to be interesting seeing how Frail sets up his team and to see who he does/doesn’t start etc. I would be surprised we don't give it to frail until the end of the season and assess our options then,just as long as we don't do something stupid and give it too frail full time after a couple of good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, wellgirl said: You're probably right but we'll never know We will if our form immediately picks up, Dan Casey is back smiling, and we actually look like a football team again. For me he walked before he was pushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Spiderpig said: We will if our form immediately picks up, Dan Casey is back smiling, and we actually look like a football team again. For me he walked before he was pushed. Very possibly - but I don't think he was going to be sacked any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly Machine Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 27 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Bit like yourself last week Lost me with this, you confusing me with someone else? Don't think it tarnishes the whole club, don't know how much input SK would actually have had with the wording but seems clear he has given it, "personal abuse", as a reason. I'm giving my opinion on how he has appeared to be to me, as I said not actually knowing the guy. Other people may have a different opinion and that's fine. If it turns out he was thinking of his next interview and thought I can't say I left my last job because I had ran out of ideas I better give a different reason then I might change my opinion but I will take him at face value for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, AllyMax said: Can anyone guess who's fans said this ?? No heart, no passion and no skill. Mish-mash of poor players not performing and a manager with a lack of experience in anything but one system that has now been counteracted by every team in the league. Aberdeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Spurs? Twas Aberdeen actually, but the point is, if you look at any fan forum in Scotland, except Celtic and possibly Dundee Utd (at the moment) you'll see exactly the same comments as you'll see on here, i.e. all the players are crap the team is crap and there are a percentage of fans who want the manager binned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, mfc said: I would be surprised we don't give it to frail until the end of the season and assess our options then,just as long as we don't do something stupid and give it too frail full time after a couple of good results. There is no need to blow the load early on Frail as he already has a rolling contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, Welly Machine said: Lost me with this, you confusing me with someone else? Don't think it tarnishes the whole club, don't know how much input SK would actually have had with the wording but seems clear he has given it, "personal abuse", as a reason. I'm giving my opinion on how he has appeared to be to me, as I said not actually knowing the guy. Other people may have a different opinion and that's fine. If it turns out he was thinking of his next interview and thought I can't say I left my last job because I had ran out of ideas I better give a different reason then I might change my opinion but I will take him at face value for now. No pal, I was referring to Kettlewell criticising the fans in his interview last week. Wasn't anything to do with you Still doesn't excuse the wallopers who abused him personally in perth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, grizzlyg said: No pal, I was referring to Kettlewell criticising the fans in his interview last week. Wasn't anything to do with you Still doesn't excuse the wallopers who abused him personally in perth You're right - it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Manager critcises fans for abuse manager abuses refferees / 4th officials personal abuse from fans in not accceptable but come to feck stuart you have been working your ticket since you slated the fans youv managed to get out while your stock is slightly high but youv seen the mess we are in and only heading in one direction if SF sets up on a totally differant formation in the next 3 games that we might suspect there was a differance in opinions beetween manager and assisant time will tell but i personally think SK has pulled a stroke on his timing of this and his BBC radio scotland pals will rally round him , except craggs who has been highly critical of the way we play and the stats of posecion and shots on goal Any way onwards n upwards and dont let the door hit your arse on the way out stuarty boy am sure you will pop up elsewhere talking about 5 th place ,semi final , theo, blah blah But you wont talk about how bad weve been for weeks , tumbolla team selections, sq pegs in round holes, etc you will spin it all out bout your good times , but dont forget, YOU turned the fans against you NEXT PLEASE 👍 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I'm going to start a go fund me for the therapy I'm going to need now - or a lot of wine - or both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 There's no evidence that Stuart Kettlewell abused officials - people who sat near him said otherwise - people can slate him for many things but let's not make things up as we go along -and there are plenty people who are sorry he's gone - the Motherwell facebook page is full of people saying they are sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootherwell86 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: There's no evidence that Stuart Kettlewell abused officials - people who sat near him said otherwise - people can slate him for many things but let's not make things up as we go along -and there are plenty people who are sorry he's gone - the Motherwell facebook page is full of people saying they are sorry. No evidence except the 2 suspensions he’s served in the past month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Mootherwell86 said: No evidence except the 2 suspensions he’s served in the past month? A suspension doesn't mean he's abused someone - someone on here who sits near him at Fir Park said that they never heard him abusing officials - I'm sure they said he was no different from last season when he wasn't being carded - am sure some people felt he was being targeted because he criticised referees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly Machine Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: No pal, I was referring to Kettlewell criticising the fans in his interview last week. Wasn't anything to do with you No bother. Yes, those remarks were never going to help unless he was 100% sure we were going wipe floor with St. Johnstone, which he surely couldn't have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Welly Machine said: No bother. Yes, those remarks were never going to help unless he was 100% sure we were going wipe floor with St. Johnstone, which he surely couldn't have been. Him criticising fans though wasn't going to lead to the entire support turning their back on him surely - because there are sections of our fans who have had nothing good to say about him since the day he was appointed - fans can criticise him but he can say nothing back?. I think thats a bit odd. Particularly because he gave that interview after a section of our fans were shouting abuse at him after the cup game I also think there are too many sweeping generalisations about him losing the fans and fans turning their back on him - the Motherwell fc facebook page tonight is full of people saying sorry he's gone - so clearly the entire support wasn't against him Edited to say I'm talking in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 5 hours ago, MJC said: I can only go on personal experience and I wasn’t at Perth on Saturday or the week before so can’t say anything about what was or wasn’t shouted at Kettlewell. In the games I have been at Fir Park I have heard plenty of criticism and frustration being voiced but I’ve not heard any personal abuse directed at the manager. That’s not to say that it didn’t happen. If that did happen then of course it is out of order if people are getting personal and if his family was being targeted then that’s shameful to be honest. I know that Kettlewell hasn’t done himself any favours of late with his tactics and certain comments about the fans but the football has been pretty dismal throughout his tenure and frustration has been building. That does not of course excuse personal abuse towards the manager himself and especially not towards his family. IF that’s what happened. Thats pretty much my view too. I was at both Perth games. I'm not saying that he wasn't abused but I never heard any of that. There was widescale booing at the culmination of both games and shouts of "resign" or similar but that was about it. I didn't hear any cursing, oathing or personal abuse. That would be out of order. I have to say our fans are no worse than those of any other club. I've not read or seen anything nasty on social media. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 The Motherwell facebook page is full of hundreds of fans saying how sorry they are he's gone - that's not someone who lost the entire support in my view. Anyway onwards and upwards. Nothing else for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Kmcalpin said: Thats pretty much my view too. I was at both Perth games. I'm not saying that he wasn't abused but I never heard any of that. There was widescale booing at the culmination of both games and shouts of "resign" or similar but that was about it. I didn't hear any cursing, oathing or personal abuse. That would be out of order. I have to say our fans are no worse than those of any other club. I've not read or seen anything nasty on social media. Some people on Facebook said that there was personal abuse (swearing etc) last Saturday - directed mainly at Stuart and Andy Halliday for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Time will tell about SKs reasons to leave . As he likes to talk But one thing for sure, all the teams below us will be delighted we are in turmoil as it plays right into there hands as some one on here said earlier 2/3 wins and we will be safe but was that not what the hibs fans said under butcher ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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