0Neils40yarder Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 In a world where, no amount, level or type, of verbal abuse is allowed...just how are the modern fitba fans meant to show their unhappiness at whatever drivel it is that's been served up? This is a semi-serious question...yes, we are there to support but at what stage are we allowed to be unhappy and what form should that unhappiness be shown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benson Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: I get this post, completely, dont give up though "I heard it" can you clarify what you heard,I'm sure many on here can handle it and not affect them,I'm being honest with you,what was shouted at kettlewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 I get why people are unhappy and why they feel the support has been thrown under the bus -but Im not going to come out and call Stuart a liar either. I think he did call it quits too early but someone on Facebook said he looked ill last week - like Hammell did towards the end - and I would not wish that on anyone. And from my point of view - we do have a toxic minority in our support. Look at that photo in one of the Herald pieces - its a young fan sitting giving Kettlewell the fingers I dont get it because that's not the way I react when we lose. I dont think he left only because of fan abuse -but I dont think hes lying either. Ive seen the way some of our fans react to players from my seat in the East Stand - and its a minority. Ive also spoken to fans who go to away games who have said they have seen players badly verbally abused - but according to some fans it never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: we do have a toxic minority in our support. Look at that photo in one of the Herald pieces - its a young fan sitting giving Kettlewell the fingers Holy shit is this what we’ve come to. The bad boys gave me the fingers and that’s supposed to equate to being toxic. The lunatics are taking over the asylum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, Benson said: "I heard it" can you clarify what you heard,I'm sure many on here can handle it and not affect them,I'm being honest with you,what was shouted at kettlewell. I didnt post the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 56 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Holy shit is this what we’ve come to. The bad boys gave me the fingers and that’s supposed to equate to being toxic. The lunatics are taking over the asylum. Im not on here to be personally name called. Hope that helps. Please dont call me a lunatic. I really do not appreciate it. You cant have an opinion on here without being called names - fair enough. Ive also lost people in my family due to mental health which is probably why I feel the way I do on some issues. The word lunatic being sent in my direction is completely offensive given some of the stuff me and my family have been through. Whatever. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. I am not on here to be name called or belittled on any level for my opinions - I really hope you get that. Other people have disagreed with me on this issue without getting personal like you have. Funny how you think its ok that fans give Stuart the fingers - when its completely unnecessary and a disgrace. That photo is awful and it shames our club, you can see the hate being directed to him if you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Don’t make ludicrous posts then, but I’ll take your own advice that you happily hand out on a regular basis and stick you on “ignore” . Night night 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, Benson said: "I heard it" can you clarify what you heard,I'm sure many on here can handle it and not affect them,I'm being honest with you,what was shouted at kettlewell. I think I made the I heard it comment. There was a boy standing right beside me at Perth who shouted ' get tae f**K Kettlewell, you useless c**t' He looked as if he was about to explode with anger. I may have been very unlucky that I was standing beside the only Motherwell fan in the entire stadium making these comments but given that Kettlewell has subsequently resigned I don't think that was a single comment in isolation. I think football is possibly the only environment left where a comment like that is considered reasonable and where fellow supporters will try and defend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: That right. Im inane, no bother. Funny that its me you are going in on rather than the person who posted the original post, odd that but not surprising in the least. Its easier to pick off some posters than others - that's very clear from your comment. I suggest you put me on ignore and keep me there. Youre the poster who said the well bois didnt put a foot wrong from recollection - enough said. There should be room for all kinds of opinions on here but there clearly isnt. Ps Im a lot of things - but inane isn't one of them, maybe reflect before you start name-calling me for doing nothing but support someone else's post on here. We can only have certain opinions or we arent welcome on here - no bother. Word salad. I was being descriptive on an observation. As for the Well Bois comment - on a Stewart Kettlewell discussion thread? An irrelevance much like yourself. I’ve defended them, not once have I said they never put a foot wrong. For the record, I’ll wager you know nothing of the Well Bois given the make up of those who frequent that area of the stadium. Plenty of your musings on what’s an emotive subject this week are exactly that - inane. An understanding of dressing room politics and doubling down as you refuse to believe is lacking sense or meaning. All in the schooling I suppose. At no point did I mention your opinion isn’t welcome. Playing victim card once again - no bother. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 The fact that some people can handle it should not diminish the fact that some people have had enough. I said it a few months ago. I was a few feet away from someone screaming at Spittal for taking a corner because he was moving to Hearts, Blair could hear him and then the fan wanted to fight other fans for being challenged and then someone else wanted to fight him. If people think we dont have a small minority of people who go too far - we absolutely do and in my view, it's not on Stuart - it's on them. You dont know what someone's last straw moment is - speaking from experience here. It could be nothing to some of us but you dont know what someone's tipping point is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 For the hard of hearing and illiterate amongst Scottish football, please note Kettlewell did not lose his job, he quit. Putting the concerns around Kettlewell’s reasoning for quitting aside for now, a red flag for me is that Caldwell seems to have been watching a different run of games and performances to the fans of late. And let’s not forget that bad run in 2023. We have been utter shite and have clearly been at risk of free-fall, but Caldwell’s words would have you believe otherwise and suggest that he was generally content with Kettlewell. Perhaps he wasn’t, but him appearing to publicly side with a former manager over the fans will only fuel the unhelpful ‘us vs them’ narrative that has developed following that resignation statement. This whole debacle has unnecessarily grown arms and legs, and I don’t think it’s over doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This isn’t going to end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingDosser Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I'm starting to wonder about this guy. The club in general just feels flat. I know Burrows had his critics but under him you could see the club moving. The media effort was top notch, the club was appearing more professional, and absolute media meltdowns like this were avoided. Given Caldwell's handling of this I dont think he will have a great deal of currency in the bank if he screws up the recruitment over the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Obviously never been to a junior game when fans threaten to batter their own players for being shite or windscreens being put in on cars, however he's talking apples and oranges, players can expect to be criticized for mistakes, no one will let Stevie Woods forget Rangers, he's not going to change football culture overnight, Motherwell/any fans won't change their tune towards perceived mediocrity or pish tactics radically because SK resigned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsince1976 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 A very good point was made in the Facebook post last night about the amount of abuse Kettlewell dished out to the ref/linesman/4th officals resulting in his numerous red cards. A bit two faced of him if you ask me. This is just a total mess and Caldwell has done us no favours at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: A very good point was made in the Facebook post last night about the amount of abuse Kettlewell dished out to the ref/linesman/4th officals resulting in his numerous red cards. A bit two faced of him if you ask me. This is just a total mess and Caldwell has done us no favours at all. And in doing so has also done himself no favours at all. I think we’ll see the new Chairman address things, hopefully in a much more diplomatic way, to try to smooth things over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 10 hours ago, Onthefringes said: Word salad. I was being descriptive on an observation. As for the Well Bois comment - on a Stewart Kettlewell discussion thread? An irrelevance much like yourself. I’ve defended them, not once have I said they never put a foot wrong. For the record, I’ll wager you know nothing of the Well Bois given the make up of those who frequent that area of the stadium. Plenty of your musings on what’s an emotive subject this week are exactly that - inane. An understanding of dressing room politics and doubling down as you refuse to believe is lacking sense or meaning. All in the schooling I suppose. At no point did I mention your opinion isn’t welcome. Playing victim card once again - no bother. Could you not just have said " an irrelevance " and missed the " much like yourself" bit out? 🤔 just a thought... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 If abuse started at Aberdeen game why not mention it to club then? Club could have put statement out condemning the abuse. Anyway we move on, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If abuse started at Aberdeen game why not mention it to club then? Club could have put statement out condemning the abuse. Anyway we move on, I heard people complaining on here about that one , think that's where a reality check is required. Even with our strongest 11 , beating Aberdeen is a great result , we didn't have close to our strongest 11. I'm disappointed in the narrative since sk left but I can understand him being annoyed at mumping after that game The 2 st johnstone games, not so much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, wellon said: I heard people complaining on here about that one , think that's where a reality check is required. Even with our strongest 11 , beating Aberdeen is a great result , we didn't have close to our strongest 11. I'm disappointed in the narrative since sk left but I can understand him being annoyed at mumping after that game The 2 st johnstone games, not so much. Had Aberdeen had 11 men I would agree but they had 10 men for 45 mins and we never laid glove on them. Given our historical fuck ups against 10 men and our complete inability to keep possession for more than 2 minutes there was plenty to be exasperated about. Frankly I'll always reserve my right to be exasperated at any game and moan like fuck when we play absolute pish. Does that mean I abuse the manager of individual players ? no it doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 No time for journalists but watched sun sport YouTube clip and I thought Robert Grieve was really good, he obviously condemned as we all do the personal abuse but he was kind of hinting why did SK not just sleep on it and ride it out and things could have improved. Anyway I am done talking about it. We move on and back Frail and the lads. COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Had Aberdeen had 11 men I would agree but they had 10 men for 45 mins and we never laid glove on them. Given our historical fuck ups against 10 men and our complete inability to keep possession for more than 2 minutes there was plenty to be exasperated about. Frankly I'll always reserve my right to be exasperated at any game and moan like fuck when we play absolute pish. Does that mean I abuse the manager of individual players ? no it doesn't. Ok but we beat them 2 nil and got 3 points so that's one of the games I wouldn't be too upset about , but you're right you have the right to be exasperated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppower Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, ppower said: All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. I would suggest that if you (and others) do take the decision to not renew your season ticket, that you put the reason in writing to the Club and the Well Society. They need to see that their (in)actions that negatively affect the fans of a fan-owned club have real financial consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 18 hours ago, smiddy said: “4k big bad well fans forced SK out with abuse papers all over it 50k bears “ up to there knees in feen#@n blood “ there will be nothing mentioned bout it just rotten scottish press Agree. Smeltics great unwashed hordes glorifying terrorists at villa game and targeting dead royals.Both hardly role models. I've always thought as Well fan I take moral high ground to some degree but I know we have our morons too albeit, small minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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