FirParkCornerExile Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, MJC said: The media pile on was caused by the club in the first place with their poorly worded statement last Monday which basically threw the entire fanbase under the bus. After that they couldn’t challenge anything with any credibility so the next best thing would be to either retract it or just keep quiet about it but sadly no, we had the WS, Caldwell, SO’D and now Frail fuelling the fire with more of the same and now here we are. The Well Society’s input in particular was a fucking disgrace and it will be interesting to see if the Well Bois do anything today in terms of displays in support of Kettlewell. Correct the clubs handling of this was abysmal. I have an HR background and when someone tells you've been abused the first thing you DONT do is say OK that's fine we will send a message out to the entire workforce telling them they should not abuse a colleague ... What should have happened is 1. The club ask for evidence or someone independent who can verify the accusations or if the complainant can identify the abuser/s . I accept this is harder in a football ground environment. So then you move onto 2 below. 2. If no such evidence is forthcoming you offer the complainant support and tell them what mitigations you will put in place to protect them and advise you will monitor the situation going forward to identify future incidents and ensure there is no repeat. 3. You then use any evidence and take whatever actions are required. 4. If the complainant then resigns you issue the necessary comms making sure you are fair and diplomatic in your language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 56 minutes ago, wellon said: Dont agree that Aberdeen get better treatment from media than us...we can get a bit paranoid re the Glasgow twins but not so much Aberdeen. I agree with this, maybe not with Richard Gordon, but last week Kenny whatshisname (dreadful anchorman btw) was desperately asking Billy Dodds at Adeen multiple times, is there any booing, have the fans turned, so he could get a right old pile on going. He was similar during Hibs bad run, him and Tom English and the reporter slagging them off continually on openallmics during RC game, and then it was a ' condescending guess what happened, Hibs have scored. Fact is Sportsound have become shock jockeys looking for sh1t to spread with the exception of calling out the OF fanbase. Don't think they have it in for us more than any other club/support they are just crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Happy Dosser said: Feeling similar: the failure of the club to defend the vast majority of decent of our support has left me wondering if they're the kind of people who should be running our club and I'm not sure either that they can make the correct decision on the next manager. The media pile-on should have been challenged from the start and their ignoring of the Thelin abuse just shows what a hypocritical bunch our football churnalists are. Ketttlewell's bacon roll and "holding court" style press conferences have certainly paid dividends. I'm with you mate, been disillusioned for a long while on and off the pitch, but backed the WS and increased my subs after Barmack as I thought it might be the start of a new dawn. I am so angry at the way the club (and WS) has handled this and lost control, throwing us all under the bus, and generating huge negative publicity for the club, and the only reason the correct narrative is getting out there now is from non club channels like Graeme McGarry in the Herald, Tam Cowan, and some sensible fan interviews. But damage has been done. The Well Society have been virtually silent. Their comms was great during Barmack, and in general since, but apart from one vague statement there has been nothing. Now perhaps they decided against adding fuel to the fire, but a simple appreciation of SK, a condemnation of abuse but speaking up for the majority of a fan base that supported the manager last season during a 15 games winless run (hi Aberdeen) might have redressed the balance. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 23 hours ago, wellsince75 said: He’s likely to be working out a settlement and keeping quiet . If he resigned & it wasnt a mutual consent parting of the ways then there shouldnt be a settlement. Unless there is something crazy in his contract, he is the one who has decided to cut it short. We shouldnt owe him anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppower Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Just watched the interview with Brian Caldwell. Sounded like Kettlewells psychiatrist. Mental health, worried about him, phoned him to make sure he was ok. Now according to the gospel of Caldwell it's his wife, kids, father, brother, etc that were forced to leave games. Stated he has been at four clubs but we are the first club he has had to talk about the manager being abused. The arseholes running this club are running it alright, right into the ground. Supporters are the life blood of any club. Currently we appear to be about as welcome as shit on your shoe.🤬🤬🤬🤬 The more I hear the more I realise deciding no more season ticket is the right decision. Yes, email was sent to tell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 As I said before Caldwell is worth a watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Craigan telling it how it was 👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 I can see Caldwell moving on at the end of the season. He came in at a difficult time and I don’t think he’s handled a few things very well so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Clackscat said: The Well Society have been virtually silent. Their comms was great during Barmack, and in general since, but apart from one vague statement there has been nothing. Will certainly be interesting to hear how "we will have a presence of Well Society board members at the foot of the steps to the Cooper suite from about 2pm tomorrow for anyone who would like to raise any points" went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Two Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 It's been done I know, butKettlewell leaving is somewhere between 1. Him running out of ideas and saving face before he gets let go in the second half of the season. 2. Him loving life due to a few over vigorous dissenting voices, although it seems now that any criticism is 'abuse'. Wasn't loving the crap I read in the Daily Record which again solely paints well fans as throwing abuse at everyone, this time at Paton.I think it's 73% 1 and 27% 2.Even if it was all 2, kettlewell is gone and the board and players need to live with the fans and get them on their side, regardless of abuse. I'm not seeing much of that.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 42 minutes ago, smiddy said: Craigan telling it how it was 👏👏 If only he wanted a managers job - he speaks so much sense and spots the issues . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, MJC said: Have you never listened to BBC Scotland sportsound then? All the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 It’s been alleged that “abuse” was directed at Kettlewell during our home game against Aberdeen which upset members of his family. I assume they would’ve been seated in the main stand when this happened so that begs the question as to what the security/stewards did about it? It’s more likely than not that the perpetrators are season ticket holders so it should’ve been a simple matter of having them escorted them from their seats, taking their details and then have the club write to them with letters of rebuke with a warning as to their future conduct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, El Grew said: It’s been alleged that “abuse” was directed at Kettlewell during our home game against Aberdeen which upset members of his family. I assume they would’ve been seated in the main stand when this happened so that begs the question as to what the security/stewards did about it? It’s more likely than not that the perpetrators are season ticket holders so it should’ve been a simple matter of having them escorted them from their seats, taking their details and then have the club write to them with letters of rebuke with a warning as to their future conduct. I think you're confusing our stewards with competent professionals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, weeyin said: I think you're confusing our stewards with competent professionals. To be fair speaking as someone who used to steward it can be a very tough job and there often aren't enough stewards to see all that's going on. When Spittal was abused last season the fan was escorted from the ground but no ones details were taken by the stewards. The fan was just ejected Most stewards aren't club employees either - it's not an easy job and it's not well paid either in a lot of cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 hours ago, smiddy said: Craigan telling it how it was 👏👏 What did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, wellgirl said: To be fair speaking as someone who used to steward it can be a very tough job and there often aren't enough stewards to see all that's going on. When Spittal was abused last season the fan was escorted from the ground but no ones details were taken by the stewards. The fan was just ejected Most stewards aren't club employees either - it's not an easy job and it's not well paid either in a lot of cases. It's irrelevant how much you are being paid if you are employed to look after the saftey of the paying public you should do your job what ever that remit is. From what I've seen the stewards at Fir park are not interested they don't give a shit and I would hate to see how they respond if a genuine emergency occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 8 hours ago, Spiderpig said: It's irrelevant how much you are being paid if you are employed to look after the saftey of the paying public you should do your job what ever that remit is. From what I've seen the stewards at Fir park are not interested they don't give a shit and I would hate to see how they respond if a genuine emergency occurred. You are talking about responding to a hypothetical situation, I.e ketts taking abuse , so can't really say how they should or should have responded. Also you would need to see the job description for stewards to see what is expected...I wouldn't fancy herding numbnuts like green brigade about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, wellon said: Also you would need to see the job description for stewards to see what is expected...I wouldn't fancy herding numbnuts like green brigade about. I would think a fairly basic component of their job description would be to ensure every fan was in their allocated seat, stairways and exits not blocked etc all the stuff they seem to forget when the green uglies are in town. These are basic saftey issues which Motherwell would be held liable for in the event of an incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, Spiderpig said: I would think a fairly basic component of their job description would be to ensure every fan was in their allocated seat, stairways and exits not blocked etc all the stuff they seem to forget when the green uglies are in town. These are basic saftey issues which Motherwell would be held liable for in the event of an incident. Over to you bob park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, Spiderpig said: I would think a fairly basic component of their job description would be to ensure every fan was in their allocated seat, stairways and exits not blocked etc all the stuff they seem to forget when the green uglies are in town. These are basic saftey issues which Motherwell would be held liable for in the event of an incident. I don't go to the celtic games so can't comment but I wouldn't want to be telling them to sit down etc for minimum wage...don't think it's the stewards at fault , its more cost cutting and having less police at games who have far greater powers....even the police struggle with every move being filmed by some clowns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 19 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: What did he say? He quoted our games won , terrible posetion stats just in general everything he said last week after st j except he had time to tidy it up also said SK was basically not doing himself any favours by ranting at refs etc then mentioned bout him getting on the wrong side of the fans also said he spent 19 years of his adult life at FP and had his fair share of “abuse / slaggings “ but said no worse than at any other club also put the bit in about our family run club Just all general stuff but stressing that it wasnt even a minority it was a cluster ( or other words to that effect ) of fans with abuse it was a good 3/4 minutes worth probs get it on bbc whatever it is 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 McFadden and Aidan mcgeady of all people spoke sense about the situation on sky. Mcgeady in fact suggested Kettlewell could have got out before he was pushed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 17 minutes ago, Big Wispy Flossy said: McFadden and Aidan mcgeady of all people spoke sense about the situation on sky. Mcgeady in fact suggested Kettlewell could have got out before he was pushed Your correct i forgot mcgeady ( whos a wee torn faced gnaff ) said that good on him for not just taking the easy way out 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 https://x.com/Steffmcd80/status/1887182169983861002 100% correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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