Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[well_said]

3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

Can this thread be binned  now, who gives a feck what Kettlewell does for the rest of his career, he's no longer involved with Motherwell.

Couldn't agree more .

[grizzlyg]

13 minutes ago, well_said said:

Couldn't agree more .

Yup....me to

[wunderwell]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

Yup....me to

Kettlewell is a dry lunch 😉

[Yabba's Turd]

I've never shouted abuse at SK, didn't like him, can completely forget him and all the other impostors we've had.
We'll get over you leaving us Stu, and yer Da sells the Avon. Prick.

[grizzlyg]

10 hours ago, wunderwell said:

Kettlewell is a dry lunch 😉

Lol

[Gadgey]

Just listened to the interview from start to finish and it’s fair to say, it was a tough listen. Kettlewell has in my opinion at least, really let himself down here and in the long run, will have done himself no favours.

He is clearly a very intense guy. From the day he arrived, he talked at machine gun pace using flowery words that didn’t quite fit with what he was saying. That intensity only ramped up the deeper he got into the job and his levels of personal investment increased.

Of course football management is a uniquely demanding role. It demands so much of your time and energy away from the Matchday, often influenced by factors outwith your span of control and attracts critique far beyond what almost any other vocation should expect.

Having coached youth, first team and held director of football roles at Semi Pro (Isthmian and national league level) clubs in England I can personally vouch (though on a much smaller scale) for the levels of pressure associated and the impact a life at the sharp end of football can have on you and all those around you.

Kettlewell talked about not reading the socials and working all hours and then coming home and seeing the sadness in the families eyes and using that as a driver for quitting. Every manager has that, and given that he has a family “like the Waltons” his chosen vocation and its hours worked, will also be a huge source of pressure. By choosing to work those hours, he will be choosing to miss some of his kids younger years. His choice, his guilt, not the clubs or the fans.

Fan abuse is often ill informed and when in that space, often feeling extremely unfair. However, I’d bet the mortgage that the reason Kettlewell chose to walk was because….

- He’s a naturally intense guy who’s response to things going badly is to throw himself further into his work

- This then brings a “I’m working my arse off here, what more do you want?” mindset.

- He was bringing this mindset home with him (he says he’s an aggressive person) and it was impacting on the family dynamic.

- The family begins to resent the cause of this Gollum side to his personality (his thankless employer and fans he seems to love more than us)

- The slightest bit of poor fan behaviour witnessed then gets jumped on by the family because they’ve become hyper sensitive to criticism.

- Kettlewell knows he’s running out of ideas and perhaps realising that hard work doesn’t fix.

The fella has one maybe two opportunities left to prove himself as a manager that can stay the pace without completely losing the nut, burning himself and his family out and resorting to the blame of others.

His decision to do that interview reeks of a wounded ego that doesn’t have the self awareness to recognise just how much he has to change.

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, Gadgey said:

Just listened to the interview from start to finish and it’s fair to say, it was a tough listen. Kettlewell has in my opinion at least, really let himself down here and in the long run, will have done himself no favours.

He is clearly a very intense guy. From the day he arrived, he talked at machine gun pace using flowery words that didn’t quite fit with what he was saying. That intensity only ramped up the deeper he got into the job and his levels of personal investment increased.

Of course football management is a uniquely demanding role. It demands so much of your time and energy away from the Matchday, often influenced by factors outwith your span of control and attracts critique far beyond what almost any other vocation should expect.

Having coached youth, first team and held director of football roles at Semi Pro (Isthmian and national league level) clubs in England I can personally vouch (though on a much smaller scale) for the levels of pressure associated and the impact a life at the sharp end of football can have on you and all those around you.

Kettlewell talked about not reading the socials and working all hours and then coming home and seeing the sadness in the families eyes and using that as a driver for quitting. Every manager has that, and given that he has a family “like the Waltons” his chosen vocation and its hours worked, will also be a huge source of pressure. By choosing to work those hours, he will be choosing to miss some of his kids younger years. His choice, his guilt, not the clubs or the fans.

Fan abuse is often ill informed and when in that space, often feeling extremely unfair. However, I’d bet the mortgage that the reason Kettlewell chose to walk was because….

- He’s a naturally intense guy who’s response to things going badly is to throw himself further into his work

- This then brings a “I’m working my arse off here, what more do you want?” mindset.

- He was bringing this mindset home with him (he says he’s an aggressive person) and it was impacting on the family dynamic.

- The family begins to resent the cause of this Gollum side to his personality (his thankless employer and fans he seems to love more than us)

- The slightest bit of poor fan behaviour witnessed then gets jumped on by the family because they’ve become hyper sensitive to criticism.

- Kettlewell knows he’s running out of ideas and perhaps realising that hard work doesn’t fix.

The fella has one maybe two opportunities left to prove himself as a manager that can stay the pace without completely losing the nut, burning himself and his family out and resorting to the blame of others.

His decision to do that interview reeks of a wounded ego that doesn’t have the self awareness to recognise just how much he has to change.

A common criticism of Kettlewell was his inability to learn. He won’t learn from this. A leopard never changes its spots. 

[David]

If there’s one positive to take from this, it’s the attention drawn to the abuse that was handed out. Whatever the reasons for him leaving, his attitude, or what anyone thinks of him, maybe it’s time for that small group of fans to reflect and ask themselves why they believe behaving like that at football matches is acceptable.

I’ve seen plenty of people online saying, “That’s just football.” And while it’s true that this kind of thing happens elsewhere and is often brushed aside, it doesn’t make it right. There were plenty of things that happened at football 15–20 years ago that people shrugged off as “just how it is” — and we now look back on those moments with embarrassment. Hopefully, one day, we’ll feel the same about this sort of behaviour.

As for Kettlewell, I wish him well. Listening to him speak, I’m not convinced management is the right fit, and I reckon a lot of clubs will feel the same. As a coach, he’s clearly capable. I hope he finds something that makes him happy and that his family are doing well.

But we move on.

[steelman1991]

21 minutes ago, David said:

If there’s one positive to take from this, it’s the attention drawn to the abuse that was handed out. Whatever the reasons for him leaving, his attitude, or what anyone thinks of him, maybe it’s time for that small group of fans to reflect and ask themselves why they believe behaving like that at football matches is acceptable.

I’ve seen plenty of people online saying, “That’s just football.” And while it’s true that this kind of thing happens elsewhere and is often brushed aside, it doesn’t make it right. There were plenty of things that happened at football 15–20 years ago that people shrugged off as “just how it is” — and we now look back on those moments with embarrassment. Hopefully, one day, we’ll feel the same about this sort of behaviour.

As for Kettlewell, I wish him well. Listening to him speak, I’m not convinced management is the right fit, and I reckon a lot of clubs will feel the same. As a coach, he’s clearly capable. I hope he finds something that makes him happy and that his family are doing well.

But we move on.

I don’t believe there was any abuse. Pure fiction.

[joewarkfanclub]

6 minutes ago, steelman1991 said:

I don’t believe there was any abuse. Pure fiction.

You'd need to be deaf to believe that.

He got abuse just about every week, even when we were doing well.

No worse than pretty much every Motherwell manager we have had in my lifetime, but it was there.

Some folk just like to go to the football to vent their spleen. If it stops them battering the wife and kids its probably a good thing......

[grizzlyg]

11 minutes ago, steelman1991 said:

I don’t believe there was any abuse. Pure fiction.

There was definitely abuse fired at him but not convinced on what levels.  My anger was he threw whole support under the bus and forgets after cup game he had a right dig at "so called experts "

I am sure Oprah Mcgregor of The Scottish Sun will have a follow up interview lined up, maybe better getting Robert Grieve to do it, the one journalist that saw threw all the excuses.