Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[santheman]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

I agree with part about the backing.  Definitely has the players on his side. I have been a fan but he does frustrate me and more and more he seems to enjoy the sound of his voice,  the word 'summarise' is one he isn't familiar with . The constant yellow and red cards are also becoming a tad tedious.

There are folk that just can't accept him and desperate for him to go.  I think he needs to adapt playing style but remember we had same with Robinson ( probably worse) and Alexander so it's not as if we have a recent record of attractive football.

The McGhee first season 2007/2008 probably the best we had this century

See this is the thing.

I sit within earshot of him and Kettlewell has always been VERY vocal on the sidelines and imo he's not any more vocal now than he was last season.

Is it just a coincidence that he's had these cards since he came out and openly criticised the Refs and VAR decisions?

Don't  get me wrong, he should learn to control himself on the touchline and not give the Refs the opportunity to flash the cards in the first place but I think he's become a bit of a target for them.

[well_said]

27 minutes ago, santheman said:

See this is the thing.

I sit within earshot of him and Kettlewell has always been VERY vocal on the sidelines and imo he's not any more vocal now than he was last season.

Is it just a coincidence that he's had these cards since he came out and openly criticised the Refs and VAR decisions?

Don't  get me wrong, he should learn to control himself on the touchline and not give the Refs the opportunity to flash the cards in the first place but I think he's become a bit of a target for them.

The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot.

[wellfan]

49 minutes ago, wellon said:

Don't think anybody is flattering you lad.

Perhaps the wit is lost on you or perhaps you’ve also proven my point. Take your pick. 

[wellon]

6 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Perhaps the wit is lost on you or perhaps you’ve also proven my point. Take your pick. 

OK thanks 

[Mortonhallwell]

2 minutes ago, well_said said:

The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot.

We supporters get incredibly frustrated with useless officials but it must be worse when your job may well suffer due to incompetent refs. Kettlewell and the players prepare meticulously for each game only to find the plan ruined because the ref makes crazy decisions.  I can fully understand Kettlewells annoyance as it must be so difficult to stand on the touchline and say nothing while the ref makes himself the centre of attention in every game. I just wish Collum would remind his refs that the best ones are those who go about their business quietly but efficiently and don't need to flash cards in order to maintain control.

[well_said]

25 minutes ago, Mortonhallwell said:

We supporters get incredibly frustrated with useless officials but it must be worse when your job may well suffer due to incompetent refs. Kettlewell and the players prepare meticulously for each game only to find the plan ruined because the ref makes crazy decisions.  I can fully understand Kettlewells annoyance as it must be so difficult to stand on the touchline and say nothing while the ref makes himself the centre of attention in every game. I just wish Collum would remind his refs that the best ones are those who go about their business quietly but efficiently and don't need to flash cards in order to maintain control.

Unfortunately collum was the type of ref that had to be the centre of attention every game , so he probably couldn't teach any of them how to be the type of ref who goes about his business unnoticed.

[dennyc]

1 hour ago, well_said said:

The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot.

Remember also that a Manager's job is on the line and a run of wrong decisions by officials could have far more consequences than costing us points or upsetting fans. No wonder Managers lose their cool regularly. Some, like McInnes, get away with it. Others do not.

I was encouraged when Collum appeared keen to improve standards and be more open to addressing issues. That optimism has now gone. First half on Sunday Walsh was clearly out to make his point and Kettlewell was a cert for a card. Collum seems to think that apology after apology is sufficient. And nothing is going to change.

[David]

Let's cut back on the back and forth niggling, please. Want to discuss and be critical of the manager? Fine. But this stupid tit-for-tat isn't happening. 

[sinjy]

How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged.

 

[AllyMax]

21 minutes ago, sinjy said:

How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged.

 

And some were advocating Levien as well during last seasons bad run, and Duncan Ferguson (with the usual pish like 'he won't stand for any nonsense') and that irish bloke that used to be at St Johnstone. Be careful what you wish for.

[wellfan]

29 minutes ago, sinjy said:

How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged.

The context is that Valakari has had zero transfer windows at St Johnstone and Kettlewell has had three at Motherwell, so I’m not sure how you can compare them in this league at this stage and say that the former is a bullet dodged.

Some research would show you that Valakari has a managerial career stat of 1.76 points per match, whereas Kettlewell has 1.39.

Yes, Valakari may be doing crap in his first few months in this league, but it’s not a fair comparison to be made.

5 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

And some were advocating Levien as well during last seasons bad run, and Duncan Ferguson (with the usual pish like 'he won't stand for any nonsense') and that irish bloke that used to be at St Johnstone. Be careful what you wish for.

Whataboutery. 

[wellup83]

Kettlewell is a decent manager for our level imo. I like the drive, enthusiasm and passion he's shown for our club and the job. He has shown that he isn't afraid to make tough decisions when it comes to recruitment in and out and also that he will stand up for our club and staff in the face of criticism. He won't get everything right but what manager does? Even old Fergie made mistakes in his career. Our league position is good and long may that last. Yes, the team can be inconsistent but that's what you get at our level and it's what keeps us coming back week in week out.

Up the Well.

[Spit_It_Out]

38 minutes ago, sinjy said:

How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged.

 

Why is that cause he went to the poorest team in the league with little to no backing?Pretty sure given the backing that Kettlewell has had would have been a more fair judgement.

[Stuwell2]

55 minutes ago, sinjy said:

How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged.

 

I don’t think that I’m one of those belittling SK but have questioned some of his decisions as have many of us and I also wasn’t one of those pushing for Valakari but I think it’s a bit early to be writing him off or comparing the two of them. 
SK has had a couple of windows to make the team his own with varying degrees of success but SV has only had what was there so far.

Like giving a player 6 month to settle a manager needs to be given a year to implement his ideas and bring in the players who suit his system unless it’s blatantly obvious that the guy’s a crackerjack and his system is unworkable in our league. 

[wellsince75]

SK obviously cares and does the basics well.   He's proud to be the manager of this football club, we know this as he tells us in every interview & remind us how much he cares about the football club and uses the term football club about this football club quite a lot.   After all it's a football club don't you know.  

I've backed him during his tenure as he does the basics well. We're very good at the ugly side of the game, win lots of the battles , work hard. as a unit to stop the opposition.  In many respects we mirror how SK was as a player, which is a positive albeit slightly worrying as it's not clear if there's better to come.  

For me he needs to build on the basics and be more than a hardworking unit.  We need better passing accuracy and more attack minded football.   If the masterplan was to get the basics and then build then that's ok ,  I'd like to see more signs that we are looking to entertain at this football club. 

[Yassin]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

The context is that Valakari has had zero transfer windows at St Johnstone and Kettlewell has had three at Motherwell, so I’m not sure how you can compare them in this league at this stage and say that the former is a bullet dodged.

Could you compare Valikari's start to Kettlewell's first few months post-Hammell, then?

[mio]

I just don’t see who would want the job and who would do any better than SK? And I’m not a massive lover of him but I think he’s a good manager for us.

I’d love to hear some names of managers the people wanting SK out would pick?

I asked this last year and the selection was laughable. Levein, Tommy Wright, Tam Courts, Yogi Hughes, Simo.

go on let us all hear your suggestions.

 

 

[wellfan]

3 minutes ago, Yassin said:

Could you compare Valikari's start to Kettlewell's first few months post-Hammell, then?

You can compare what you want. My point was that it’s not really fair to suggest that Valakari was a bullet dodged when you consider their lengths of tenure in this league and managerial background. 

Some further context would be that Valakari took over a team about halfway through the first half of the season in October, and Kettlewell took over a team halfway through the season in February following a transfer window where the squad was notably strengthened.

It’s true that Kettlewell’s start was better than Valakari’s in this league, but they inherited different squads, and let’s not forget that Kettlewell presided over a lengthy winless run, which was much worse than Valakari’s current record in this league.

In summary, and as I said above, it’s not really possible or fair to directly compare them at this stage or say one was a bullet dodged. That’s all whataboutery. 

[texanwellfan]

Every manager comes with their own faults or stubbornness. We know what SK’s issues are but I think we have done well getting him, rather than some of the other options who would take a job at Fir Park.  I’m hoping he stays for a while and helps bring stability to the club, I’m fed up with the manager merry go round. 
We all know that, realistically, the best we can be is third. We are sitting pretty close to that at the moment, having beaten the current team in third, 3 times already this season. 

[Big Stall]

I wouldnt want rid of him, hes a young manager and he's doing fine. Is he setting the heather alight? No, but if he was he wouldnt last long.

It would however be good to see him learn from mistakes and note just how poor & toothless we are when he sets us up defensivley

[texanwellfan]

As Mentioned we know his issues 😀

hopefully he can resolve his issues as time goes by. 

[grizzlyg]

41 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

As Mentioned we know his issues 😀

hopefully he can resolve his issues as time goes by. 

I have issues with him not buying his partner a Christmas or birthday card which he confessed to in an interview,  miserable git!! 🤣🤣

[sinjy]

I can imagine the Valakari out, melt down on here if we had taken 2 points from 9 games. I find it extraordinary that the biggest critics of Kettlewell come on here and defend a manager who is regularly criticised for his tactics and team set up. Anyway we have 30 points after 21 games. Any Motherwell manager's first priority is to keep us in the league. In the last 10 years the highest points that have been in the play off is 36. (that's what we had in 2015) so with 17 games to go even if the total is higher this year we need three wins to achieve that objective.

[Big Stall]

5 hours ago, sinjy said:

Anyway we have 30 points after 21 games. Any Motherwell manager's first priority is to keep us in the league. In the last 10 years the highest points that have been in the play off is 36. (that's what we had in 2015) so with 17 games to go even if the total is higher this year we need three wins to achieve that objective.

Im hopeful we wont need to worry about playoffs but given how tight the league is & there is only 1 team cut off, & some teams with deeper pockets are below us. I do think the usual points totals are going to be off this season. Ideally get to 40 as soon as possible and take it from there.....

[joewarkfanclub]

10 hours ago, Big Stall said:

Im hopeful we wont need to worry about playoffs but given how tight the league is & there is only 1 team cut off, & some teams with deeper pockets are below us. I do think the usual points totals are going to be off this season. Ideally get to 40 as soon as possible and take it from there.....

I agree. The points for safety will be higher this year.

I think St Johnstone are gone. There's no way they take 16 points more than us in the second half of the season when they have only managed 15 total in the first half.

But everyone else is still within striking distance.

Thats why games like tonight are so important. Killie are currently 6 behind, so not losing tonight would be great to just keep that gap ticking over. A win would fantastic and give us a phenomenal return for the first half of the season given the injuries we have had.

Its actually quite mental that we should be in any way still worried about a play off place. Given that we could be a point off 3rd at the end of the night!