Welly Machine Posted Monday at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:38 PM My seat is in the Cooper and I have not witnessed any personal abuse towards Stuart Kettlewell. I very rarely go to away games though and wasn't at either Perth game so can't comment on them. Frustration at results, performances and the quality on the park is understandable but there are limits. I don't know exactly the type of thing SK is talking about but he has felt it was a factor so I will take that at face value, not knowing the guy any more than most. Just going on TV, radio and club media. He did appear to me to be someone who had a genuine feeling for the club, worked extremely hard and did his best. I thought he would have deserved the chance to turn things round again. Having said that, sometimes though, it just stops working like Robinson and McCall before him. Academic now decision made himself. Some things have conspired against us like horrendous luck or whatever with injuries and a few decisions. Fans of other clubs would probably have the exact same gripes. Just hope we can stabilise until the summer and look at things then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted Monday at 09:39 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:39 PM Not happy when I first heard the news , understand others are delighted Hopefully whoever comes in will give the club a boost the next few months , but won’t be surprised if it is Stephen Frail til the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted Monday at 09:46 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:46 PM 3 hours ago, weeyin said: Doesn't say it wasn't aimed at his family too. Family members can have "personal abuse" aimed at them too. (I have no idea if that's true, btw). Sitting very close to his family at FP I’ve never heard anything aimed at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 09:47 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:47 PM Just now, Stuwell2 said: Sitting very close to his family at FP I’ve never heard anything aimed at them. Apparently wasn't at FP - was at both the St Johnstone games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Monday at 09:49 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:49 PM 8 minutes ago, Welly Machine said: My seat is in the Cooper and I have not witnessed any personal abuse towards Stuart Kettlewell. I very rarely go to away games though and wasn't at either Perth game so can't comment on them. Frustration at results, performances and the quality on the park is understandable but there are limits. I don't know exactly the type of thing SK is talking about but he has felt it was a factor so I will take that at face value, not knowing the guy any more than most. Just going on TV, radio and club media. He did appear to me to be someone who had a genuine feeling for the club, worked extremely hard and did his best. I thought he would have deserved the chance to turn things round again. Having said that, sometimes though, it just stops working like Robinson and McCall before him. Academic now decision made himself. Some things have conspired against us like horrendous luck or whatever with injuries and a few decisions. Fans of other clubs would probably have the exact same gripes. Just hope we can stabilise until the summer and look at things then. If he had genuine feelings for the club he could have worded his reasons for leaving better, basically trying to tarnish name of whole club. I have no time for the wallopers who were giving him verbal abuse but you know what Stuart, the bulk of us are good folk and are allowed to give constructive criticism. Bit like yourself last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted Monday at 09:52 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:52 PM 6 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Apparently wasn't at FP - was at both the St Johnstone games Find that strange as I’m sure 99% of the fans wouldn’t have known who his family was. Although I have no way of knowing if that’s true or not. As you’ve heard about this, can you confirm if was aimed at his family or did they hear the abuse aimed at him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 09:53 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:53 PM 3 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: Find that strange as I’m sure 99% of the fans wouldn’t have known who his family was. Although I have no way of knowing if that’s true or not. Think it's been clarified that fans weren't abusing his family - just that his family didn't want to go to games to hear him get abused 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted Monday at 09:56 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:56 PM 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Think it's been clarified that fans weren't abusing his family - just that his family didn't want to go to games to hear him get abused Understandable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted Monday at 09:57 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:57 PM 1 hour ago, Yorkyred said: Beg SR to come back. Why, St Mirren have been as brutal as us in recent weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted Monday at 10:01 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:01 PM 4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Why, St Mirren have been as brutal as us in recent weeks. correct, other than the aberdeen game at the weekend, their form is as bad or worse than ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 10:02 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:02 PM Just now, AllyMax said: correct, other than the aberdeen game at the weekend, their form is as bad or worse than ours. No way would I want Robbo back. I'd rather steelboy got the job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted Monday at 10:04 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:04 PM 29 minutes ago, wellgirl said: There's been a few people on Facebook who have said tonight that he and some players got a lot of abuse at both the St Johnstone games. I personally don't feel like I've been thrown under the bus - because I've never abused him - and like I said the other night - I don't think any professional footballer should be downing tools. Until very recently I was living well below the poverty line - I've scraped the money together to get both of my last two years season tickets and some very well paid players just decide to pack it in - not good enough in my view - and some of them have done it with other managers as other folk have said Aye that statement will have rubbed folk up the wrong way - but it's not all on him How can you expect professional footballers to play in a shite system every week which makes them look disorganised and poor players eg, 5 across the back and 1 striker leading to 3 or 4 shots on goals all game with a terrible possession percentage. Aye three shots all game .They may be thick but no stupid it was always going to came to a head at some point ,seems to have done a couple of games ago. Then add to that SK commits the biggest two mistakes in the managerial the rule book he criticised the fans, then blamed the players in separate post match interviews theres only one outcome there , slippery slide to resignation because the board weren’t ever going to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Monday at 10:07 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:07 PM 1 hour ago, Yorkyred said: Beg SR to come back. I can only assume you are referring to our goalkeeping crisis and want Stewart Rennie to make a comeback 🤪🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Monday at 10:09 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:09 PM 5 minutes ago, wellgirl said: No way would I want Robbo back. I'd rather steelboy got the job If fans don't like our style of football just now it will be worse with Robbo, we were effective but wasn't easy to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:10 PM 2 minutes ago, stv said: How can you expect professional footballers to play in a shite system every week which makes them look disorganised and poor players eg, 5 across the back and 1 striker leading to 3 or 4 shots on goals all game with a terrible possession percentage. Aye three shots all game .They may be thick but no stupid it was always going to came to a head at some point ,seems to have done a couple of games ago. Then add to that SK commits the biggest two mistakes in the managerial the rule book he criticised the fans, then blamed the players in separate post match interviews theres only one outcome there , slippery slide to resignation because the board weren’t ever going to do anything. That's fair enough - but I stand by what I said earlier - and - if you look back at Kettlewells post match interviews over the last two years - he's been hugely supportive of the players There are also some people who think the comments he made in that interview were aimed at pundits rather than fans I agree the writing was on the wall. I just don't think the bust up with Casey should have been made public - Kettlewell is getting criticised for slating players but an argument with Casey is all over fans forums - what's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted Monday at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:10 PM 26 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: Hopefully whoever comes in will give the club a boost the next few months , but won’t be surprised if it is Stephen Frail til the summer Given that Kettlewell has been allowed to blow the family jewels on his massive squad before he jumped ship, and the fact that Frail's salary is already factored into the budget until the end of the season, I can't see the club rushing (or afford) to employ a whole new management team at this stage. It'll likely be Frail to the end of the season, then reassess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted Monday at 10:14 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:14 PM 2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If fans don't like our style of football just now it will be worse with Robbo, we were effective but wasn't easy to watch Not sure I agree with this...Robinsons blood and thunder style of play with Moult, Bowman, Hartley, Aldred etc was far easier to watch than the passive, stand off-ish, 30% possession at McDiarmid park daftness that's been served up recently. Not that I want Robinson back, nor think he would come back either 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted Monday at 10:15 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:15 PM 1 minute ago, wellfan said: Given that Kettlewell has been allowed to blow the family jewels on his massive squad before he jumped ship, and the fact that Frail's salary is already factored into the budget until the end of the season, I can't see the club rushing (or afford) to employ a whole new management team at this stage. It'll likely be Frail to the end of the season, then reassess. Will be interesting to see - prob similar to when SK got the job - he had a free shot at it for a few weeks . ill be interested to see how frail sets us up / how we changes anything . im hoping finances are not the driver though - although it’s not just Frail (who appears a decent guy) it’s all the others in the mgt team would likely need to be replaced as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted Monday at 10:15 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:15 PM 4 minutes ago, wellgirl said: That's fair enough - but I stand by what I said earlier - and - if you look back at Kettlewells post match interviews over the last two years - he's been hugely supportive of the players There are also some people who think the comments he made in that interview were aimed at pundits rather than fans I agree the writing was on the wall. I just don't think the bust up with Casey should have been made public - Kettlewell is getting criticised for slating players but an argument with Casey is all over fans forums - what's the difference? These things get out, particularly if the bust up was in front of the rest of his backroom team and a squad full of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 10:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:18 PM 2 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: These things get out, particularly if the bust up was in front of the rest of his backroom team and a squad full of players I do know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted Monday at 10:21 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:21 PM Some of the performances this season have been horrendous,the last few away from home are as bad as it gets.injuries aside,our squad is a shambles,he had a preferred formation and the whole time he was here,he never signed players suited to that system.hes definitely been feeling the pressure the last few weeks with the constant back and forth with officials and the comments after the cup game,he had been criticised a lot for his substitutions and they were the final nail in his coffin for me on saturday,we were clearly trying too see the game out and he brings on a guy that he clearly doesn't rate and the other that was signed the day before,absolute madness and you can see why folk had it in for him.it can't be nice for a managers family to hear any sort of abuse directed his way.i think the abuse thing is a smokescreen,there's clearly issues with the team and he's got out while his stock is still in decent shape but at the same time,he's probably not done himself many favours with any future employers as any club he goes too next will have supporters that dish out abuse and might think twice about employing him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 10:23 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:23 PM Just now, mfc said: Some of the performances this season have been horrendous,the last few away from home are as bad as it gets.injuries aside,our squad is a shambles,he had a preferred formation and the whole time he was here,he never signed players suited to that system.hes definitely been feeling the pressure the last few weeks with the constant back and forth with officials and the comments after the cup game,he had been criticised a lot for his substitutions and they were the final nail in his coffin for me on saturday,we were clearly trying too see the game out and he brings on a guy that he clearly doesn't rate and the other that was signed the day before,absolute madness and you can see why folk had it in for him.it can't be nice for a managers family to hear any sort of abuse directed his way.i think the abuse thing is a smokescreen,there's clearly issues with the team and he's got out while his stock is still in decent shape but at the same time,he's probably not done himself many favours with any future employers as any club he goes too next will have supporters that dish out abuse and might think twice about employing him. It's not a smokescreen if there were sections of our fans abusing him at the last two games surely Maybe the bigger issue is that fans can be upset without resorting to abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted Monday at 10:26 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:26 PM 8 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: Not sure I agree with this...Robinsons blood and thunder style of play with Moult, Bowman, Hartley, Aldred etc was far easier to watch than the passive, stand off-ish, 30% possession at McDiarmid park daftness that's been served up recently. Not that I want Robinson back, nor think he would come back either I agree with that,atleast that team of robinsons had a bit of identity and everyone knew exactly what there role was.for most of this season it's been like having 11 strangers on the park.like you I wouldn't want robinson back either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Monday at 10:26 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:26 PM I feel he has been desperate to get out. What could have happened today was he expressed concerns about the abuse and that it was upsetting his family. Club then put our statement to fans saying thst behaviour won't be tolerated. Kettlewell had no intention of staying and it just covers the other issues. Like I said the club were fair to him as he could have been punted last year. I wish him well for the future but if he gets another manager job heaven forbid the fans dare criticise him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Monday at 10:29 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:29 PM Just now, grizzlyg said: I feel he has been desperate to get out. What could have happened today was he expressed concerns about the abuse and that it was upsetting his family. Club then put our statement to fans saying thst behaviour won't be tolerated. Kettlewell had no intention of staying and it just covers the other issues. Like I said the club were fair to him as he could have been punted last year. I wish him well for the future but if he gets another manager job heaven forbid the fans dare criticise him I personally think there's probably a lot of factors that we won't ever know about. I also personally don't think this would have been an easy decision - he always came across as committed to Motherwell - no matter his faults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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