Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[Kmcalpin]

3 hours ago, gaz7 said:

Totally agree with you  on this and apologies if anyone thought I was meaning them in isolation. 

My generic reading is the majority say they haven't heard much abuse when it happens every game.

Now saying your shite or words to that effect might not seem nuch to some but it also depends how it is said and certainly at half time and 2nd half and mostly at end of cup game a lot were really going nuts shouting and bawling in a really aggressive manner. So in essence what I mean is depends how you describe abuse.

I totally appreciate also it depends where you are sitting leaving etc.

No problem Gaz. I never thought about varying definitions of abuse but you're right. 

[steelman1991]

7 minutes ago, Benson said:

See the media are putting the boot in saying that's the 3rd manager the fans have got rid off,and sod saying we're on a slippery slope,lol

And not a mention of his part in all of that.

[Mootherwell86]

SOD knifed Alexander and Hammell. He’s a fucking charlatan that should’ve been chased long ago. Fuck him. 

[wellfan]

50 minutes ago, Richie said:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stuart-kettlewell-third-motherwell-boss-34569942

SOD has absolutely zero self-awareness here. I'd go as far as saying that he's pretty much just Kettlewelled himself unless he can turn his own performances around. 

[MJC]

The problem is that the media view us as an ‘unfashionable club’ and Stuart Kettlewell is very popular with them. Not quite on Alex McLeish levels but still… They’re going to side with him regardless on this issue. 

Kettlewell has made it clear that he left because of fan abuse and the media are duly jumping on that. Now he may well have been on the end of personal abuse and his family too and as I said last night if that’s the case then it’s a disgrace.

However has he really been targeted so badly? And if he has is there any photo or video evidence of it? We live in times where just about everything that happens in football grounds and life in general has some form of proof which is uploaded onto social media.

I have no doubt that there were very vocal criticisms of him during the Perth double-bill but there is a big difference between fans venting frustration and fans shouting personal and nasty abuse at the manager and his family so I personally don’t think we’ve heard the full story on this one yet. 
 

I’ve always been a big believer that the truth lies somewhere in the middle and also that those who push their agenda the longest and the loudest are more likely to be listened to. 
 

The only ones who genuinely know what happened are Stuart Kettlewell and the people who were shouting at him during the last two games and there are two scenarios here which are possible. 
 

1) What Kettlewell says is absolutely true and he was so angered and upset by the disgusting personal abuse that he and his relatives received that he felt he had no choice but to leave the club

or;

2) Kettlewell realised that he had gone as far as he could and didn’t believe he could turn things around so resigned and  deflected the attention onto the support for his own failure knowing that his pals in the media would back him up.

Either way it’s not a good look for the club and the fanbase and Kettlewell is going to come out of this as the victim regardless. 

[stv]

4 minutes ago, Mootherwell86 said:

SOD knifed Alexander and Hammell. He’s a fucking charlatan that should’ve been chased long ago. Fuck him. 

He's saying that because SK is the only manager in the premiership that would have SOD in the first team I am afraid he's past it after the last injury ,he's probly feeling bad as well he sold the jerseys twice adding to pressure on SK to go.

Anyway footballs a big boys game ,or it used to be, a bit of abuse and stick comes with the territory when your a manager. What other job do you resign from cause you can't hack it and get your full contract paid as you leave.  We pay hard earned cash in a recession to watch shite like that week after week your allowed to voice your opinion or we would all be sitting with our arms folded nodding politely. 

I'm still raging at the tone of that club statement re poor SK abuse.  It looks like the club is blaming the fans very badly worded and as i said before the press are having a field day.

[star sail]

21 minutes ago, Mootherwell86 said:

SOD knifed Alexander and Hammell. He’s a fucking charlatan that should’ve been chased long ago. Fuck him. 

In the context of what we're are currently talking about, is this comment acceptable ?

Maybe this is supposed to be tongue in cheek but if it is not I don't think it is acceptable.

For those who think it is acceptable, ask yourself the question ' If somebody was saying this about a member of my family on a public forum, how would I feel about it?'

SOD himself has taken unacceptable levels of abuse from our support in recent times. We can't simply pretend that all the negativity is just a media led conspiracy. 

 

 

[Pepper]

4 minutes ago, star sail said:

In the context of what we're are currently talking about, is this comment acceptable ?

Maybe this is supposed to be tongue in cheek but if it is not I don't think it is acceptable.

For those who think it is acceptable, ask yourself the question ' If somebody was saying this about a member of my family on a public forum, how would I feel about it?'

SOD himself has taken unacceptable levels of abuse from our support in recent times. We can't simply pretend that all the negativity is just a media led conspiracy. 

 

 

I assume you are new to both football and the internet?

[FirParkCornerExile]

I'm now at the stage I think everything has been discussed to death. With it being football there will be a new story for the media to obsess and spout ill informed bollocks about very shortly. Everything in the last two days is tomorrows chip paper. We will get a new manager and within 2 weeks no one will be thinking about SK.

 

Btw just watching the Wrexham v Stevenage game and the Stevenage commentators have just commented about the moaning of the home support for a team challenging at the top of the table.

 

Update: Half time and Wrexham fans loudly booing their team and they are 3rd and haven't lost a game in 22 matches. . Who have thought it possible.

[Mootherwell86]

3 minutes ago, star sail said:

In the context of what we're are currently talking about, is this comment acceptable ?

Maybe this is supposed to be tongue in cheek but if it is not I don't think it is acceptable.

For those who think it is acceptable, ask yourself the question ' If somebody was saying this about a member of my family on a public forum, how would I feel about it?'

SOD himself has taken unacceptable levels of abuse from our support in recent times. We can't simply pretend that all the negativity is just a media led conspiracy. 

 

 

Spare me your faux outrage.  

We’re talking about a manager choosing to leave of his own volition. He WAS NOT chased out by a mob.  I suspect Mr Kettlewell may have a career in politics once this blows over.

Any personal abuse is out of line and shouldn’t be tolerated. That being said, fans venting frustrations and/or calling him shite doesn’t constitute abuse. If he’s that offended by that, then I suggest he’s in the wrong career.

As for SODs, his time would be better spent contemplating his own failings rather than blaming those who pay his wages.

 

[Orinoco]

Perhaps if certain players had done their job properly, then this mess would not have happened.

How's about the players for once take some responsibility. It's their performances that dictate the narrative each week. 

 

[star sail]

2 minutes ago, Pepper said:

I assume you are new to both football and the internet?

I have been watching Motherwell since 1980. I have been on this forum since about 2008. 

I know what goes on. What I am saying is that for me personally, the levels of abuse, I find generally unacceptable. 

What really interests me most is that the Motherwell support seems to be collectively offended that it's behaviours are being questioned. No abuse from any quarter, just questioned.

I assume you think it is fine?

[smiddy]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I'm now at the sage I think everything has been discussed to death. With it being football there will be a new story for the media to obsess and spout ill informed bollocks about very shortly. Everything in the last two days is tomorrows chip paper. We will get a new manager and within 2 weeks no one will be thinking about SK.

Your right FP thats when SK Will start his speil bout what happened just to keep his name in the media

if not you very quickly become forgot about n he wont want that 

[wellgirl]

3 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

Perhaps if certain players had done their job properly, then this mess would not have happened.

How's about the players for once take some responsibility. It's their performances that dictate the narrative each week. 

 

I agree with that too and I've said it more than once on social media. Not just on the manager - players need to take accountability too 

[Pepper]

1 minute ago, star sail said:

I have been watching Motherwell since 1980. I have been on this forum since about 2008. 

I know what goes on. What I am saying is that for me personally, the levels of abuse, I find generally unacceptable. 

What really interests me most is that the Motherwell support seems to be collectively offended that it's behaviours are being questioned. No abuse from any quarter, just questioned.

I assume you think it is fine?

I could have put my mortgage on you giving me your resume... 

Yes I think that post was absolutely fine. 

The vast majority of the support are quite right to be offended, as they have done absolutely nothing wrong. The way the broader support is being portrayed, regardless of what abuse was actually directed at Kettlewell, is disgraceful. 

The club statement, society statement, sky interviews and the latest twitter video from the club are a PR disaster. I have no problem with anyone offering Kettkewell support and questioning a victims lived experience is just not tolerated these days, but there must have been a better way to do it that this. How to alienate your fans in 3 easy steps. 

[0Neils40yarder]

1 hour ago, Mootherwell86 said:

SOD knifed Alexander and Hammell. He’s a fucking charlatan that should’ve been chased long ago. Fuck him. 

Now we're talking...

 

...or is that too abusive?

[Happy Dosser]

9 minutes ago, stv said:

He's saying that because SK is the only manager in the premiership that would have SOD in the first team I am afraid he's past it after the last injury ,he's probly feeling bad as well he sold the jerseys twice adding to pressure on SK to go.

Anyway footballs a big boys game ,or it used to be, a bit of abuse and stick comes with the territory when your a manager. What other job do you resign from cause you can't hack it and get your full contract paid as you leave.  We pay hard earned cash in a recession to watch shite like that week after week your allowed to voice your opinion or we would all be sitting with our arms folded nodding politely. 

I'm still raging at the tone of that club statement re poor SK abuse.  It looks like the club is blaming the fans very badly worded and as i said before the press are having a field day.

You, MJC and dennyc have voiced feelings similar to my own on this issue.

I always felt SK's over-long press conferences were aimed at keeping the press onside with him as much as giving information on our next game and we can see the media have responded accordingly. To think our fans are uniquely  "the pits" is laughable when compared with  other clubs, each of whom has its share of  roasters but also an awful lot of fans who have valid points to express. Of course, given the much bigger size of support for the city teams in Scotland, they will have a correspondingly higher number of said roasters, but we won't expect that point to be conceded by the outraged media types since we are an easier target as a diddy team.

I don't think we would be looking for  a new manager at all if SK  hadn't criticised the fans who travelled to Perth for daring to voice  an opinion after the ignominious  cup exit which many on here foretold because had  we read the runes. Their  understandable reaction may well have been used by him  to escape from a situation which he felt was impossible.

And I  wouldn't worry much  about the behaviour of  Scottish sports journalists piling in on this issue. They have as much credibility as "journalists" in general and our   politicians, all of whom make estate agents seem people of probity and rectitude. They will quickly pass on to focusing on what really matters to them, amplifying the Old Firm and using their fans as click-bait.

Let's get behind the team and whoever leads them for the rest of the season, which is likely to be challenging given our situation with player quality, injuries and morale.

 

 

 

[wellgirl]

7 minutes ago, Pepper said:

I could have put my mortgage on you giving me your resume... 

Yes I think that post was absolutely fine. 

The vast majority of the support are quite right to be offended, as they have done absolutely nothing wrong. The way the broader support is being portrayed, regardless of what abuse was actually directed at Kettlewell, is disgraceful. 

The club statement, society statement, sky interviews and the latest twitter video from the club are a PR disaster. I have no problem with anyone offering Kettkewell support and questioning a victims lived experience is just not tolerated these days, but there must have been a better way to do it that this. How to alienate your fans in 3 easy steps. 

I agree with you on all of these points. But some fans are saying he wasn't abused at all (particularly on Facebook). When other fans are saying they witnessed it. I was stunned by the society statement tbh - I personally don't need to be told how to conduct myself at a football match. 

If the club had said in the first place that it was a section of fans acting like this - it would have been more appropriate - and accurate 

[Mootherwell86]

3 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Now we're talking...

 

...or is that too abusive?

Still quite tame 🤣

[0Neils40yarder]

33 minutes ago, star sail said:

In the context of what we're are currently talking about, is this comment acceptable ?

Maybe this is supposed to be tongue in cheek but if it is not I don't think it is acceptable.

For those who think it is acceptable, ask yourself the question ' If somebody was saying this about a member of my family on a public forum, how would I feel about it?'

SOD himself has taken unacceptable levels of abuse from our support in recent times. We can't simply pretend that all the negativity is just a media led conspiracy. 

 

 

I'd honestly love to see the likes of Kettlewell and SOD spend a season at one of the old firm that was doing poorly...they'd know all about it then.

 

If said abuse of SOD, is 'yer no very good Stephen' then I'm as guilty as charged.

[wellgirl]

1 hour ago, Mootherwell86 said:

SOD knifed Alexander and Hammell. He’s a fucking charlatan that should’ve been chased long ago. Fuck him. 

Other people have said on here over the last couple of days that that's not accurate. There were issues with him and Alexander but why does that have to be SODs fault? 

[star sail]

7 minutes ago, Pepper said:

 

Yes I think that post was absolutely fine. 

The vast majority of the support are quite right to be offended, as they have done absolutely nothing wrong. 

Resume. I like that!

Ok. If that's your opinion of what is acceptable and you would be happy with members of your own family been subjected to similar statements that is fine.

What I don't understand is that you are offended when the media, SK, SOD, the Motherwell board questioning those very same types of comment. That does not make any sense to me? 

None of these people have made anything like the comments referenced above. It smacks of double standards.

[Throughthelaces]

In regards to SOD we don't actually know for sure what's true there's some stories which indicate some smoke and there's no smoke without fire is my personal opinion. I have said myself his performances and when he picks and drops form concern me. None of which I'd say is unacceptable abuse. 

 

I would like to know the line as we all have expectations from players I do tend to expect more from the more experienced cohort of players of the day I'm terms of I expect them to set the example for what's acceptable to the younger players on the pitch and on that charge SOD and Haliday leave a lot to be desired with how they've performed at points this season. Of our experienced group For my Money McGinn is a model professional on the pitch.

[Pepper]

9 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I agree with you on all of these points. But some fans are saying he wasn't abused at all (particularly on Facebook). When other fans are saying they witnessed it. I was stunned by the society statement tbh - I personally don't need to be told how to conduct myself at a football match. 

If the club had said in the first place that it was a section of fans acting like this - it would have been more appropriate 

The general consensus seems to be that he received the same or lesser levels of abuse than others have in the past. I don't think there is any merit in that debate anyway as there are obviously things we will never know. 

Thee has got to be more to this for to merit the sort of reaction we are seeing, almost entirely across he board. I suspect we may never find out.

[star sail]

13 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

I'd honestly love to see the likes of Kettlewell and SOD spend a season at one of the old firm that was doing poorly...they'd know all about it then.

 

If said abuse of SOD, is 'yer no very good Stephen' then I'm as guilty as charged.

A race to the bottom. 

I am sure that SOD would love it if every fan was as polite as you. He will have heard far, far worse.