Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[well_said]

9 minutes ago, MJC said:

No doubt someone will ask Brendan Rodgers his opinion on Kettlewell’s ‘treatment’ in the pre-match press conference….while conveniently forgetting that Celtic fans were singing songs about him being shot dead by the IRA when the left the last time. 
 

But like I said we are unfashionable so therefore fair game to the media.

Rodgers is a scumbag of the highest order , well suited to that rancid shower .

[Lord Tanamo]

Has any of this barage of online abuse been provided as evidence. ?

[well_said]

2 hours ago, Lord Tanamo said:

Has any of this barage of online abuse been provided as evidence. ?

The bbc and the sun have got it in their imaginary minds that it happened. 

[numpty]

3 hours ago, Lord Tanamo said:

Has any of this barage of online abuse been provided as evidence. ?

Don't think anyone's official statements specified whether it was online or otherwise, did they?

[texanwellfan]

If Motherwell FC want to address the issue it might help if someone would  specify what it was where it was etc. 

[wellgirl]

5 minutes ago, numpty said:

Don't think anyone's official statements specified whether it was online or otherwise, did they?

It said it was abuse that was affecting his family to the point they didn't want to attend games 

[MJC]

I'm thinking of starting a Just Giving page for Kettlewell.

Also be good to get #istandwithstuart trending on Twitter...

[well_said]

4 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

It said it was abuse that was affecting his family to the point they didn't want to attend games 

I'm calling bullshit on that.

[weeyin]

12 minutes ago, well_said said:

I'm calling bullshit on that.

It could be 100% true. The problem is that when you're a football manager, you're going to take abuse from fans (home or away) whatever club you work for.

[wellgirl]

Interview with Brian Caldwell up on the socials now 

[Yoshi-1991]

7 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Interview with Brian Caldwell up on the socials now 

Does he actually give any form of information? Or is it just going to annoy me?

[wellgirl]

Just now, Yoshi-1991 said:

Does he actually give any form of information? Or is it just going to annoy me?

Yeah he does. Don't think it will annoy you. 

[Well Well]

I thought Caldwell came across very well in that interview. I think he conveys the shock of the resignation very well and he looks uncomfortable discussing the events running up to and including the resignation.

I still stick to my views that SK time had come as Motherwell manager. However I want to say that I wish him the very best for his future and hope that he can move on and find something new quickly as I suspect he is the type who doesn't do well sitting about the house. Thanks for taking over from the chaos that was Hammell tenure and steadying the ship.

I like and trust Caldwell in his role and I think his interviews are always down to earth and honest. 

[Richie]

It mentions his brother and his dad leaving. Not meaning to sound a dick here, but do they not reputedly enjoy a trip to Ibrox?

Hardly a couldron of flowers and candy.

I guess its different when its your own family though.

[wellsince75]

Well done to our CEO for coming out and sharing what he could with a large degree of empathy. 
 

it’s not overly difficult  to imagine comments and sentiment that would have been shared and overheard by family and loved ones at games .

accept it for what it is, wish SK best in the future and look forward as a club to our next chapter 

[Spit_It_Out]

To be fair to folk on here I haven't really seen much of the online abuse it's folk mostly moaning about the line ups and tactics that's about it really.

The twitter the club official one is a different level of abuse some total rockets on that.

Look this chapter is closed I wish him well the when he took over from Hammell when we had Furlong and Johnston as attacking wing backs and KVV it was truly magical we were really good to watch made you want to go to the football and couldn't wait until next game.

So onto the next chapter onwards and upwards.

[Richie]

Caldwell specifically stated that SK's Dad and Brother had to leave the Aberdeen game and his Wife and family had to leave St Johnstone game.

Don't think Online abuse was a factor.

[FirParkCornerExile]

I cant understand why , if it was so bad, why SK didn't flag it to Caldwell. All the club would then need to do would be position stewards in the main stand who could eject those involved. When I was at work I used to complain about staff not flagging problems in the workplace until something blew up. Then its a case of trying to get to the bottom of "he said / she said". I told my managers and staff if they wanted something done about issues between staff to flag it up the minute it happens , not 8 months later when someone wants to retrospectively raise a grievance when no bugger knows fuck all about it.

[weeyin]

From listening to Caldwell - and I appreciate I'm reading between the lines here - he made it almost sound like a combination of long, intense days, no breaks, poor performances plus the fans abuse has burned him out.

[Richie]

3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I cant understand why , if it was so bad, why SK didn't flag it to Caldwell. All the club would then need to do would be position stewards in the main stand who could eject those involved. When I was at work I used to complain about staff not flagging problems in the workplace until something blew up. Then its a case of trying to get to the bottom of "he said / she said". I told my managers and staff if they wanted something done about issues between staff to flag it up the minute it happens , not 8 months later when someone wants to retrospectively raise a grievance when no bugger knows fuck all about it.

Precisely.

Particularly after the first incident at the Aberdeen game.

[robsterwood]

Talking of disgraceful fans. Celtic fans were singing hatred songs and having offensive lyrics, glorifying terrorists at villa match but Scottish press don't report it.

[well_said]

4 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

Talking of disgraceful fans. Celtic fans were singing hatred songs and having offensive lyrics, glorifying terrorists but Scottish press don't report it.

A scumbag club from the hierarchy down to the sewer rats that follow them.

[Clackscat]

1 hour ago, Yoshi-1991 said:

Does he actually give any form of information? Or is it just going to annoy me?

It 100% annoyed me

[star sail]

2 hours ago, MJC said:

I'm thinking of starting a Just Giving page for Kettlewell.

Also be good to get #istandwithstuart trending on Twitter...

The lack of empathy and social conscience is staggering.

I just listened to the Caldwell interview. This is not some made up shit. He looked genuinely saddened by the whole sorry affair. Not spin, not propaganda. One of his hard working work colleagues has had to resign because the fans that are there to support turned on him.  

We are talking about a guy who was coming into his work at 6.30am every morning and leaving at 7pm every night quiting because the pressures of the job has taken it's toll. His crime was to have hit a rocky spell in both results and performance. Like every football manager he has paid a heavy price.

This is not a man who has landed on his feet. He has lost his job. He has not played some kind of tactical blinder as I have read more than once on this forum over the last few days. He will almost certainly be going through a difficult time just now both mentally and emotionally. He would have to be to walk away from his job in the way he has. 

The abuse from the fans is real. Not some made up conspiracy against the poor Motherwell fans because they are not fashionable. Just because Celtic and Rangers might be worse, does not make the behaviour of the Motherwell fans acceptable. 

I was at Perth. I heard it and saw the behaviours for myself. Not a tiny minority but a significant minority if not possibly even a majority.

Let's not pretend this is a Kettlewell phenomenon. Baraclough, Robinson, Alexander suffered the very same fate.

The icing on the cake for me has been reading on this forum some of the more reasonably minded going to great lengths to justify the fans behaviour and taking the petted lip because the victim of the abuse and the media have dared to even question these behaviours. 

I have been drifting as a Well fan for a while. I just don't have the sense of pride and identity with the club that I used to have. Age and a changing world  view plays a major factor in that l admit.

I may well be the one out of step now with the general footballing fraternity but I am happy to be so. I just cannot relate anymore to the attitudes I have seen expressed in recent days.

What this incident has proved to me is football fans are generally the same regardless of the club they support. Same attitudes, same mindset just a different coloured flag. 

[santheman]

A few things to take from that for me.

A wee subliminal message to the fans responsible for the alleged abuse- Look what you've caused so take a step back, reflect on your actions and think about your behaviour in the future or else we find ourselves in the same position with any new new manager if things arent going well.

In saying that it must have been record levels of abuse for his family to have made him feel the way he does. I've been at every game home and away and can honestly say I haven't heard anything other than the usual moans I've heard for the last 40 odd years. Not saying it didn't happen though.

If things were that bad ar Fir Park then there's boxes in the Cooper Stand they could have been given so that they didn't need to listen to the crowd. Caldwell seemed genuinely not to have a clue about what was going on.

Likewise away from home they could have been given tickets in the hospitality area or directors box away from the Motherwell fans.

But at the end of the day and not looking to justify anything, if we hadn't been served up absolute dross in the last few games then the boo boys wouldn't have had as much to boo about although some of our fans make me wonder why they actually go to games as they'll go apeshit even if we're winning and playing well, Im sure everyone on here will know someone in that category. They must be fun company at home.

Not sure whether that interview will put a lid on things or fan the MSM flames even more tbh.