joewarkfanclub Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 23 hours ago, sinjy said: Season 23/24 nearly over and it has been a bit of a meh season. Nothing to get excited about, out of the cups early, never looking like getting top six and safe from relegation with three games to go.. The usual suspects on here decrying the manager and their favoured fall guys. Kettlewell is stuck on 5-3-2 and only changes this when we are chasing the game and he puts on a load of forwards. The lack of wide players in the squad means we are relying on wing backs to get forward. This puts a lot on them and often they get subbed off and replaced like for like. He has had to deal with an excessive amount of injuries to important players. McGinn 6 games, Casey 9 games, Slattery missed last five months of the season, Miller 12 games, Obika all season, Paton 8 games Blaney 5 games, Butcher 14 games. Bieruth 6 games. Add to that the recall of Bieruth and Spencer. Recruitment has on the whole been good. Negatives Wilkinson, Obika, Shaw, and Halliday. Positives Bieruth, Bair, Spencer, Paton, Gent, Vale. Ok Nicholson and Devine. Kettlewell has improved players. Bair, Spittal, Miller and Gent especially with loanees being recalled after their clubs recognised their improvement after successful spells. He appears to be a good motivator as despite the long run without a win the players stuck with him. How many times did we score late goals to get a draw or a win? God knows how he keeps them interested as his team talks must last ages if his interviews are anything to go by. Despite losing Van Veen we are the third top scorers in the league. Problems are clearly in defence and he hasn't managed to sort that out. Big summer ahead. Recruitment needs to be good again and he needs to find a couple of diamonds to improve us. I saw my first game over sixty years ago and I will be back next year to support the team and the manager. Great post! 💙💙💙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 47 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Great post! 💙💙💙 Except ‘stuck on 5-3-2’ is a myth… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 On 5/17/2024 at 10:07 AM, sinjy said: Season 23/24 nearly over and it has been a bit of a meh season. Nothing to get excited about, out of the cups early, never looking like getting top six and safe from relegation with three games to go.. The usual suspects on here decrying the manager and their favoured fall guys. Kettlewell is stuck on 5-3-2 and only changes this when we are chasing the game and he puts on a load of forwards. The lack of wide players in the squad means we are relying on wing backs to get forward. This puts a lot on them and often they get subbed off and replaced like for like. He has had to deal with an excessive amount of injuries to important players. McGinn 6 games, Casey 9 games, Slattery missed last five months of the season, Miller 12 games, Obika all season, Paton 8 games Blaney 5 games, Butcher 14 games. Bieruth 6 games. Add to that the recall of Bieruth and Spencer. Recruitment has on the whole been good. Negatives Wilkinson, Obika, Shaw, and Halliday. Positives Bieruth, Bair, Spencer, Paton, Gent, Vale. Ok Nicholson and Devine. Kettlewell has improved players. Bair, Spittal, Miller and Gent especially with loanees being recalled after their clubs recognised their improvement after successful spells. He appears to be a good motivator as despite the long run without a win the players stuck with him. How many times did we score late goals to get a draw or a win? God knows how he keeps them interested as his team talks must last ages if his interviews are anything to go by. Despite losing Van Veen we are the third top scorers in the league. Problems are clearly in defence and he hasn't managed to sort that out. Big summer ahead. Recruitment needs to be good again and he needs to find a couple of diamonds to improve us. I saw my first game over sixty years ago and I will be back next year to support the team and the manager. This is a very good summary of the season. I think there has actually been a consistency to the season that is overshadowed a little by the winless run in the winter. Without dazzling or ever really being comprehensibly thumped it has generally been a mediocre season. This seems strange to say when we have been really competitive against the OF and we got th long awaited league victory against Rangers Looking at Kettlewell's record as a whole over one and a half seasons, I think there is reason to believe we have the makings of a decent manager who will improve with time. He reminds me a little of Derek McInnes, never sensational, never completely at sea just steady making incremental improvements. If that incremental improvement continues Wellfan could get his wish of a top 6 finish and I think it is reasonable for him ( and all of us) to set that as the next target . Overall I think the club has reached an equilibrium just now that will serve as a good basis to push on to greater things. I am excited for next season but then I am a self aware happy clapper. Looking forward to my hands being red raw next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 10 hours ago, Onthefringes said: Except ‘stuck on 5-3-2’ is a myth… Well aye. Its more a 5-4-1 come 3-4-2-1 or some variation. But apart from that its a great post. Other formations are available, but positivity wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 He won’t do. I’m sorry but he just won’t. His tactics, lineups and general attitude is awful. I want to back him but I just can’t because he is taking us nowhere. Time to go. #troll #pantywetter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 49 minutes ago, MJC said: He won’t do. I’m sorry but he just won’t. His tactics, lineups and general attitude is awful. I want to back him but I just can’t because he is taking us nowhere. Time to go. #troll #pantywetter He should’ve been gone following the dreadful run in the first half of last season, but he’s not and we’re stuck with him. It’s the same shit, different season, but maybe some of his biggest fans may finally start to realise that this season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Just now, wellfan said: He should’ve been gone following the dreadful run in the first half of last season, but he’s not and we’re stuck with him. It’s the same shit, different season, but maybe some of his biggest fans may finally start to realise that this season. Eat, sleep, rave about how shit SK is, repeat...ad infinitum 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 3 minutes ago, wellfan said: He should’ve been gone following the dreadful run in the first half of last season, but he’s not and we’re stuck with him. It’s the same shit, different season, but maybe some of his biggest fans may finally start to realise that this season. The last minute levellers against County, Dundee and St.Johnstone along with coming back from 0-2 down in Perth early November kept him in a job last year. And to his and the teams credit those results showed that they had a bit of spirit about them to come back and get those draws. But we appear to be a team set up not to concede a goal rather than score one ourselves and then when we do concede we are more effective when chasing games as opposed to scoring first and defending a lead. That’s no use in the league we play in and it’s not going to get us anywhere in Cup ties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Far too early to talk about manager being replaced however his booking today was embarrassing, why he got involved with something so trivial was beyond me especially when the team performance should have been more concerning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Wanting the manager sacked before the league has even started. We are so back! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Here's our run of games across August and September: Ross County (H) Rangers (A) Killie (H; League Cup) Hearts (H) St Johnstone (A) International Break Aberdeen (A) Lease Cup QF St Mirren (H) If we lose to County in the opener, it could be a long couple of months for Kettlewell as he panic signs 3 more wingbacks and 3 more central midfielders at the end of August and gets a red card at the end of September for telling Stephen Robinson to fuck off. Or, he signs Stama this week, which sees the Aussie score 10 goals in 2 months at the same time as we concede 20 through Blaney and Casey, which inspires Jim McMahon to secretly give Kettlewell a 4-year contract extension as his parting gift to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Agreed. County is an absolute must-win. If we don't get all three points there we're surely favourites for the drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Far too early to be discussing SK's future but, and there's always a but, this season will be different. He's been in post for about a year and a half now and built his own team. If things go badly wrong in the coming months, there'll be no excuses or hiding place, harsh as it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 6 hours ago, MJC said: He won’t do. I’m sorry but he just won’t. His tactics, lineups and general attitude is awful. I want to back him but I just can’t because he is taking us nowhere. Time to go. #troll #pantywetter This is absolute rubbish. I am sorry. We have lost Bair and Spittal as you know and we have other injuries to contend with too. But it's not time for him to go. That is ludicrous. Hes to go because we didn't beat Partick today? By the way I don't think you are a troll or a pant wetter but seriously. I'll back Kettlewell till I can't anymore and that certainly won't be after today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 43 minutes ago, David said: Agreed. County is an absolute must-win. If we don't get all three points there we're surely favourites for the drop? First game of season is never a must win. That's so negative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: Far too early to be discussing SK's future but, and there's always a but, this season will be different. He's been in post for about a year and a half now and built his own team. If things go badly wrong in the coming months, there'll be no excuses or hiding place, harsh as it seems. The thing is, it has taken Kettlewell this long to get the team looking like he wants them to look. If we then sack him a few months into this season, we hire a new coach who then comes in and the whole process begins again. I think continuity is key. The recent chopping and changing of managers has done us no good at all. 1 hour ago, robsterwood said: First game of season is never a must win. That's so negative. I was being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Thankfully the club won't listen to people on fans forums when it comes to making a decision. Yes it's going to be a make or break season but some people just want him out. That's clear. Nothing he ever does will be good enough. And it is tedious when people are constantly going in on Kettlewell and the players week in week out to be made to feel that they are in the wrong if they don't back him. He's crap and all our players are crap. Who wants to listen to that week in week out every week for a season. I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: This is absolute rubbish. I am sorry. We have lost Bair and Spittal as you know and we have other injuries to contend with too. But it's not time for him to go. That is ludicrous. Hes to go because we didn't beat Partick today? By the way I don't think you are a troll or a pant wetter but seriously. I'll back Kettlewell till I can't anymore and that certainly won't be after today. Not just because we didn’t beat Partick Thistle yesterday, but because in the eighteen months he’s been in charge we have done nothing but regress under his management and I have seen nothing in these group games so far to suggest there is any improvement on the horizon, the opposite if anything. His tactical set up and approach to games is all wrong and his transfer dealings have been dreadful, regardless of ‘limited budget’ and all that guff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 7 hours ago, David said: The thing is, it has taken Kettlewell this long to get the team looking like he wants them to look. If we then sack him a few months into this season, we hire a new coach who then comes in and the whole process begins again. I think continuity is key. The recent chopping and changing of managers has done us no good at all. Not quite the point I was making. Last season, when we went on a shocking winless run, it was argued by some that SK should be cut some slack given that he hadn't been in the job long and that he was being forced to pick players he didn't sign. Thats not the situation now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 I'm sick of Kettlewell. He's stubborn and not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Great chance tonight to make your feelings clear to SK at the WS question and answer session . Hope to hear some no holds barred questions and if it’s your opinion how good a job he is doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 If we have a bad start we need to get rid of him. The big issue with him has always been recruitment and if his signings this year don't work out he can't be given another chance. He's had three transfer windows and his signings were in the minority in our used squad yesterday with Halliday, Davor and Stuparevic being the worst players on the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, steelboy said: If we have a bad start we need to get rid of him. The big issue with him has always been recruitment and if his signings this year don't work out he can't be given another chance. He's had three transfer windows and his signings were in the minority in our used squad yesterday with Halliday, Davor and Stuparevic being the worst players on the park. Genuine question here; why have you got such a dislike for Davor? Every time I see him play I think he does everything that's asked of him; he wins the ball back then passes it on to someone who's more creative (I accept that playing alongside Halliday, that's a bit of an oxymoron) and protects the back 3 as best he can with very little support. It's not his fault he's not Pirlo/Modric/whoever winning it back and spraying passes about to our forwards and wing backs. Particularly when our wing backs are utter dog shit and none of our strikers are able to hold the ball up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 25 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said: Genuine question here; why have you got such a dislike for Davor? Every time I see him play I think he does everything that's asked of him; he wins the ball back then passes it on to someone who's more creative (I accept that playing alongside Halliday, that's a bit of an oxymoron) and protects the back 3 as best he can with very little support. It's not his fault he's not Pirlo/Modric/whoever winning it back and spraying passes about to our forwards and wing backs. Particularly when our wing backs are utter dog shit and none of our strikers are able to hold the ball up. He's too limited on the ball for a team playing with three centre backs. He's basically a man down in possesion and which makes us easy to defend against and isn't enough of a physical presence when we are defending. If you look at that games he's started in the league we have very rarely led in games when he's on the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, steelboy said: He's too limited on the ball for a team playing with three centre backs. He's basically a man down in possesion and which makes us easy to defend against and isn't enough of a physical presence when we are defending. If you look at that games he's started in the league we have very rarely led in games when he's on the park. We've rarely led in games when the full team's been on the park so singling him out on that point is plain daft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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