joewarkfanclub Posted December 9, 2024 Report Share Posted December 9, 2024 20 minutes ago, AllyMax said: How many managers have left top division clubs in Scotland in the last 20 years for any other reason than failure ? I know there are few exceptions, but in general, managers get fired or 'leave by mutual consent' 95% of the time. When I started going to games regularly, Willie McLean was in charge. he created a team that challenged the old firm regularly in matches, got conned out of a semi final win over the h**s and is largely lauded as the best team never to win a trophy. He was still sacked a couple of years later for a poor results, as have most of our managers since. It's the same for every other club. 90% of managers ultimately fail and get the sack. My point entirely..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted December 9, 2024 Report Share Posted December 9, 2024 His other achievement not mentioned is taking 3 points home from Ibrox. I understand the concerns and why people are not keen on SK but I’d say we have actually seen some decent football from us earlier on in the season that seems to have been forgotten about but definitely agree that some recent performances have been rank. I’d also agree that he is a frustratingly slow learner or perhaps a bit narrow minded on how we should play. However, all in all I don’t think he’s worse than many experienced managers who are set in their ways. At lease there’s some hope, with SK being a fairly new manager, that he will learn and adapt. I’d rather move forward with the stability of keeping SK rather than changing managers every two years and not just because of the financial benefits. I think we have a better chance of maintaining a settled team/squad and achieving “success” by having the same long term manager. Of course we have to sell players who attract interest and can financially benefit the club from being sold but if we can maintain same basic core with minor adjustments year on year, that’s better than managers coming in every two years in with different styles of play and clearing out the playing staff to replace them with players they like. I also think that SK has shown some skill in developing individuals as well as keeping team morale up, attributes that may help us attract some good players. I’m probably on the minority but i thought we played some good football when we got beat 4-1 at Dundee. We lost the plot, mentally, for 10 minutes and it was a terrible score line but for a lot of that game there was some nice football. Granted, St Mirren first half was woeful but better second half. With players coming back to fitness I think we will see more good than bad performances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 A donkey of the highest calibre, and unfortunately he’ll be getting yet another transfer window to further bloat the squad with crap. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, wellfan said: A donkey of the highest calibre, and unfortunately he’ll be getting yet another transfer window to further bloat the squad with crap. Or an average Scottish Premiership level manager who makes his fair share of mistakes, has signed some diddies, but has also signed some decent players and somehow has us sitting top 6 despite one of the worst injury crises I have seen in my lifetime. The football is shite to watch and he has deserved criticism at various points, but a donkey of the highest calibre would have us bottom of the league surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: The football is shite to watch and he has deserved criticism at various points, but a donkey of the highest calibre would have us bottom of the league surely? There’s plenty of the season left for him to live up to this accolade. And the only reason I’m maintaining my position on him is because he is so fundamentally incapable of learning from his mistakes or developing his managerial and tactical approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, wellfan said: There’s plenty of the season left for him to live up to this accolade. And the only reason I’m maintaining my position on him is because he is so fundamentally incapable of learning from his mistakes or developing his managerial and tactical approach. To be fair, you have been consistent in your disapproval! 😉 Some of your criticism is absolutely justified and the hyperbole can be quite entertaining! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: To be fair, you have been consistent in your disapproval! 😉 Some of your criticism is absolutely justified and the hyperbole can be quite entertaining! You’re welcome. What’s a football forum without hyperbole, eh?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Defended him most of time but feels like not learning from mistakes....but hey....remember he signed Theo Bair!! 🤣🤣 Ps. Happy birthday to a well legend...but enough about me!!..... Stevie Kirk 62 today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Hi heedz that far up his own arse at times. He canny see his mistakes anyway he just talks round in a circle for 10 mins and diversifys away from the subject by talking about budgets and our injury crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Defended him most of time but feels like not learning from mistakes....but hey....remember he signed Theo Bair!! 🤣🤣 Ps. Happy birthday to a well legend...but enough about me!!..... Stevie Kirk 62 today Legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 46 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Legend Awwww shucks 🤪🤪 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, smiddy said: Hi heedz that far up his own arse at times. He canny see his mistakes anyway he just talks round in a circle for 10 mins and diversifys away from the subject by talking about budgets and our injury crisis "Hey Brian, we all need to take ownership, myself included ". Kettlewell post match about a dozen times this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchfindergeneral Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 45 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Wellfan must be having a lie in or back to work I'm sure the posts will appear at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan91 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 48 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Here Here....absolutely baffles me our support think we could get a better manager for the peanuts we pay. It's been evident in Kettlewell's time with us that he gets it wrong from time to time but always has 100% backing from the players which can't be said for his predecessors. When/if he loses the dressing room that'll be the time for change but for now we have to stick by him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Could be worse. We could be St Johnstone fans. Be careful what you wish for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 13 minutes ago, santheman said: Could be worse. We could be St Johnstone fans. Be careful what you wish for. Indeed as usual whenever we are looking for a new manager Valakari will be the first name quoted, I'm glad we ignored him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Indeed as usual whenever we are looking for a new manager Valakari will be the first name quoted, I'm glad we ignored him. To be fair to Valikari, he is just in the door and hasnt had a window yet to move some players on and get his own in. That said, their results have not improved despite him changing their style of play and making them easier on the eye. Maybe shitfesting games is the way to go after all? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: Wellfan must be having a lie in or back to work I'm sure the posts will appear at some point. Give it a rest. You’re the one with more interest in what I’ve got to say on here than what I have in Kettlewell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Kettlewell must go. Clueless. Not smart enough , top six is a false position, no selfcontrol always getting sent off , winning is just pure luck , he just signs injured donkeys. Anyone who says different is just a happy clapper . 👏👏 There now is that good enough for ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 It’s always amusing to see adults reduce themselves to the usual childish behaviour in their quests to belittle those critical of Kettlewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, wellfan said: Give it a rest. You’re the one with more interest in what I’ve got to say on here than what I have in Kettlewell. Dont flatter yourself , your obsession with SK became boring a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 37 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Dont flatter yourself , your obsession with SK became boring a long time ago. I’m not flattering myself, you’re doing that for me with your habit of continually engaging with my critique of Kettlewell and posting directly to/about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Wellfan91 said: Here Here....absolutely baffles me our support think we could get a better manager for the peanuts we pay. It's been evident in Kettlewell's time with us that he gets it wrong from time to time but always has 100% backing from the players which can't be said for his predecessors. When/if he loses the dressing room that'll be the time for change but for now we have to stick by him. I agree with part about the backing. Definitely has the players on his side. I have been a fan but he does frustrate me and more and more he seems to enjoy the sound of his voice, the word 'summarise' is one he isn't familiar with . The constant yellow and red cards are also becoming a tad tedious. There are folk that just can't accept him and desperate for him to go. I think he needs to adapt playing style but remember we had same with Robinson ( probably worse) and Alexander so it's not as if we have a recent record of attractive football. The McGhee first season 2007/2008 probably the best we had this century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, wellfan said: I’m not flattering myself, you’re doing that for me with your habit of continually engaging with my critique of Kettlewell and posting directly to/about me. Don't think anybody is flattering you lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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