Onthefringes Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: It will be a straightforward process to replace the contributions oof the likes of Cornelius, McGinley, Carrol and Mugabi should they all leave at some point because these players are ten a penny. We wont replace KVV with anyone who will score 29 goals. Deary me, it’s a wonder you’re not on our recruitment team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Cornelius as at the stage in his career where he needs and probably wants a more or less guaranteed first team place.... as opposed to being a squad player. He is a decent enough player but I honestly don't see him as a first pick. Particularly if Kettlewell strengthens his squad over the summer. So in all the circumstances it is probably better that he moves on. I wish him all the best and thank him for his efforts whilst at Motherwell. Maybe he can return at a later date which will have the added benefit of winding a few folk up! As for training compensation, we will be due something but Hibs might get the greater share as he progressed through their youth programme and only joined us at age 17 I think. That said, to qualify for compensation I believe the parent club must have a contract offer turned down by the player. In Hibs case I think they released Cornelius without such an offer so they might actually be due nothing. Whatever, we will not receive that much and it might be beneficial to negotiate with his next club, looking to possibly a greater return down the line rather than a small fee up front. If we accept the standard training compensation then that is a once and for all payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 11:54 AM, steelboy said: KVV extending for one year cost 4 times what Josh Morris and Oxborough combined cost for two years each? That's some good budgeting. Probably the best contract extension for years. We’re going to make good money out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Onthefringes said: We get it as you’ve alluded to more than once. There’s not a player in our squad who isn’t infinitely replaceable. Up to those tasked with the job to develop our next batch better than pay the system lip service in my view. You’re right, it’s a wild guess. Easy to deduce from the article that he favours crossing borders for now over remaining at home. I would say Casey , Butcher , Goss , Kvv , Spittal ( latterly) have some quality and will be harder to replace , the rest even Kelly , I think, can be replaced with similar or better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, dennyc said: Cornelius as at the stage in his career where he needs and probably wants a more or less guaranteed first team place.... as opposed to being a squad player. He is a decent enough player but I honestly don't see him as a first pick. Particularly if Kettlewell strengthens his squad over the summer. So in all the circumstances it is probably better that he moves on. I wish him all the best and thank him for his efforts whilst at Motherwell. Maybe he can return at a later date which will have the added benefit of winding a few folk up! As for training compensation, we will be due something but Hibs might get the greater share as he progressed through their youth programme and only joined us at age 17 I think. That said, to qualify for compensation I believe the parent club must have a contract offer turned down by the player. In Hibs case I think they released Cornelius without such an offer so they might actually be due nothing. Whatever, we will not receive that much and it might be beneficial to negotiate with his next club, looking to possibly a greater return down the line rather than a small fee up front. If we accept the standard training compensation then that is a once and for all payment. If he came back and added a goal threat, good tackling or a range of passing, it wouldn't wind me up , I'd be more than happy Good luck to the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, Yorkyred said: Probably the best contract extension for years. We’re going to make good money out of it. KVVs and Turnbulls both very good contract extensions by the club - either way we benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Onthefringes said: Deary me, it’s a wonder you’re not on our recruitment team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: KVVs and Turnbulls both very good contract extensions by the club - either way we benefit. Says a lot about those players too because they wanted to make money for the club. We've had local lads supporting the 'Well not sign extensions and leave for nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Mad Dog said: Says a lot about those players too because they wanted to make money for the club. We've had local lads supporting the 'Well not sign extensions and leave for nothing. Kvv and Turnbull were good enough for clubs to come in and pay a transfer fee ...if other guys sign a contract, they could be stuck here on not great money and wouldn't get a move , so I don't blame them on that one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Great Balls of Shire said: Kvv and Turnbull were good enough for clubs to come in and pay a transfer fee ...if other guys sign a contract, they could be stuck here on not great money and wouldn't get a move , so I don't blame them on that one . For the likes of Cornelius, I agree with you. Can't imagine that Luton wouldn't have been able to afford half a million for a chap who went straight into their starting XI. Same goes for the yanks that bought Cadden, they ought to have been able to pay a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 I know this might sound premature but are we not better offering our highly rated youngters i.e miller 4 year pro deals hopefully they are able to establish themselves in that time and we can sell them on for a bigger fee than the compensation we get evrey time one leaves. On a side note thank god Kevin Nisbet is no longer in the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 On 5/31/2023 at 10:41 AM, David said: Not for me on that last part. Good goalkeepers aren't just worth their weight in gold, but are incredibly hard to find. Even the top team in the country have the likes of Siegrist and Bain as their backups, which tells you something. Kelly is one of the best shot stoppers in the league, and has earned us his fair share of points. As much as Van Veen's goals kept us up, so did his saves throughout the season. A good keeper can make the difference between relegation and surivial. I personally don't think Kelly is all that great and if someone offered a decent fee for him id be more than happy for him to move on. As much as he makes some brilliant saves I feel hes always to deep in the box to sweep through balls and don't ever feel he commands the penalty box saying that tho wouldn't be dissapointed to see him stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, thewelllfan said: I know this might sound premature but are we not better offering our highly rated youngters i.e miller 4 year pro deals hopefully they are able to establish themselves in that time and we can sell them on for a bigger fee than the compensation we get evrey time one leaves. That was the Dundee Utd model that put them into millions of pounds of debt and helped relegate them twice in recent seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, thewelllfan said: I personally don't think Kelly is all that great and if someone offered a decent fee for him id be more than happy for him to move on. As much as he makes some brilliant saves I feel hes always to deep in the box to sweep through balls and don't ever feel he commands the penalty box saying that tho wouldn't be dissapointed to see him stay He's great for a club of our level. He's saved us numerous points over the past few seasons, and has certainly won us more games than he's lost. Remember the debacle we had with keepers before he arrived? The whole Chapman/Archer nonsense gives me the fear to this very day. Nah, I'd rather we kept a keeper like Kelly than sell him and hope we can get someone at least as good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Groningen have now put a bid in for van veen according to sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, mfc said: Groningen have now put a bid in for van veen according to sky Be interesting to see if he takes them up on that offer. According to the wiki entry their most recent season makes Dundee Utd's look like a roaring success. Quote Worst ever season (2022–) In 2022–23, Groningen finished the season in bottom place, winning only 4 times in 34 matches, and were relegated to the Eerste Divisie for the third time. Before the start of the season, the German Frank Wormuth was appointed coach. He was sacked in November 2022, after which Wormuth labelled the working conditions as "mentally unsafe". Under his successor, Dennis van der Ree, Groningen won only once in 21 matches, and were eliminated from the KNVB Cup at home by amateur club SV Spakenburg. During the season, director of football Mark-Jan Fledderus was sacked, and two board members stepped down. Gudde concluded the squad was unfit, unbalanced, and lacked quality and "personality". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Perhaps that bid will cause any other clubs interested to get their bids in. I’d much rather he stayed but either way I’d like it not to drag out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Onthefringes said: Deary me, it’s a wonder you’re not on our recruitment team. you seem to have trouble understanding that we have some good players , some mediocre players and some pish players. Some would be hard to replace some pretty easy. Its hardly a radical position to have. Thank God you aint on the recruitment team we'd still have Bob Malcom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, weeyin said: Be interesting to see if he takes them up on that offer. According to the wiki entry their most recent season makes Dundee Utd's look like a roaring success. If the reported £10 grand a week is true I think he will bite their handoff and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, mfc said: Groningen have now put a bid in for van veen according to sky As long as the opening bid is 7 figures the club can discuss it, if not its thanks for your enquiry but jog on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: If the reported £10 grand a week is true I think he will bite their handoff and rightly so. Presumably our club will have some say on the matter no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 58 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: If the reported £10 grand a week is true I think he will bite their handoff and rightly so. According to capology, Groningen only have 2 players getting paid above £6K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Presumably our club will have some say on the matter no? of course thats a given, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, AllyMax said: According to capology, Groningen only have 2 players getting paid above £6K Really goes for nothing. Before we got Kelly we wouldnt have given his kinda money to any of the other players but we were desperate to get him and pushed the oat out. If a club wants something they find ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said: . Thank God you aint on the recruitment team we'd still have Bob Malcom Bob Malcolm - that got me thinking of this list of chaps I'd forgotten ever played for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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