MJC Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, David said: It's not "end of story" though, because you're blatantly wrong. But let's leave it there. You clearly aren't going to budge, and I'm not going to tell you that you're correct when you're not. We sign players to play football. If they aren’t playing football, for whatever reason other than being injured then what are we paying them for? To train well? To sing songs and dance through the meadows? If they are not going to play then we move them on and that’s what the manager said yesterday. But yes, let’s leave it at that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 steal: to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it I'm pretty sure the club knowingly gave permission to pay the players they chose to put under contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Pleased with the Casey news. It helps give us stability and solidity at the back, which is essential in any team. The fact that we've moved on Danzaki and Mahon shows that we're actively trying to reshape the squad and clear the decks for others to come in. More to follow perhaps? Maybe a bit bloated in central defence, especially if Sam Campbell progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 I wouldn't be surprised if we put Campbell and ferrie out on loan, and maybe a few others, assuming we take care of their contracts first 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 39 minutes ago, fizoxy said: I wouldn't be surprised if we put Campbell and ferrie out on loan, and maybe a few others, assuming we take care of their contracts first 🙂 Sam Campbell is one we should have high hopes for. Liverpool and Leeds were fighting over him as a sixteen year old and he did well on trial with Liverpool. A deal was said to be well advanced, with Motherwell reaching agreement with three English clubs. It was up to Sam to make a decision. Sadly, before a deal was completed he suffered a serious injury and so his progression stalled. After carefully working his way back he is once again coming to the fore. Personal choice, but I would rather he stayed in our first team squad for now rather than going out on loan. This is one player we need to be cautious with and keep under our direct control. If he is back to anywhere near his pre injury form we will be on to a winner. I am also pretty sure the likes of Liverpool will be monitoring his return. I understand he is only on a short term contract at the moment so including him in our match day/first team squad might encourage him to sign on for a bit longer. We are allowed a huge number of bench players nowadays so there is scope. In the League anyway. I would certainly rather invest in him than retain all our other centre backs, particularly as Casey has opted to return. Butcher when fit, Casey, Blaney, Campbell, Mcginn as an option, with one of Lamie, Mugabi would be my choice for that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, dennyc said: Sam Campbell is one we should have high hopes for. Liverpool and Leeds were fighting over him as a sixteen year old and he did well on trial with Liverpool. A deal was said to be well advanced, with Motherwell reaching agreement with three English clubs. It was up to Sam to make a decision. Sadly, before a deal was completed he suffered a serious injury and so his progression stalled. After carefully working his way back he is once again coming to the fore. Personal choice, but I would rather he stayed in our first team squad for now rather than going out on loan. This is one player we need to be cautious with and keep under our direct control. If he is back to anywhere near his pre injury form we will be on to a winner. I am also pretty sure the likes of Liverpool will be monitoring his return. I understand he is only on a short term contract at the moment so including him in our match day/first team squad might encourage him to sign on for a bit longer. We are allowed a huge number of bench players nowadays so there is scope. In the League anyway. I would certainly rather invest in him than retain all our other centre backs, particularly as Casey has opted to return. Butcher when fit, Casey, Blaney, Campbell, Mcginn as an option, with one of Lamie, Mugabi would be my choice for that role. I didn’t know that about Campbell but, after hearing what you’ve said and suggested, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Looks like Campbell is off to Annan on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, fizoxy said: Looks like Campbell is off to Annan on loan Let's hope he signed an extension beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Sam Campbell is one we should have high hopes for. Liverpool and Leeds were fighting over him as a sixteen year old and he did well on trial with Liverpool. A deal was said to be well advanced, with Motherwell reaching agreement with three English clubs. It was up to Sam to make a decision. Sadly, before a deal was completed he suffered a serious injury and so his progression stalled. After carefully working his way back he is once again coming to the fore. Personal choice, but I would rather he stayed in our first team squad for now rather than going out on loan. This is one player we need to be cautious with and keep under our direct control. If he is back to anywhere near his pre injury form we will be on to a winner. I am also pretty sure the likes of Liverpool will be monitoring his return. I understand he is only on a short term contract at the moment so including him in our match day/first team squad might encourage him to sign on for a bit longer. We are allowed a huge number of bench players nowadays so there is scope. In the League anyway. I would certainly rather invest in him than retain all our other centre backs, particularly as Casey has opted to return. Butcher when fit, Casey, Blaney, Campbell, Mcginn as an option, with one of Lamie, Mugabi would be my choice for that role. Interesting. Thanks for this background. I wonder given the discussion around Max J and contract status what we may be doing differently to protect our interests. Any idea if he has been offered an extended contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 hours ago, couttsy said: Just a RB, LB, centre mid and centre forward before the window closes please. We've enough cover at centre half now so I'd like to see Butcher in that centre mid role (when fit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 I think we'll see Shields go out and get replaced by another English lower-league striker and Furlong come back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 hours ago, weeyin said: steal: to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it I'm pretty sure the club knowingly gave permission to pay the players they chose to put under contract. Okay. I’ll rephrase it then. If we are terminating the contracts of individuals who are being embursed to make a material effect for the club on the field of play but are sadly falling short of that expectation for whatever reason which may or may not be any fault of their own, then I think we are displaying prudence and sound judgement. That better? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, MJC said: Okay. I’ll rephrase it then. If we are terminating the contracts of individuals who are being embursed to make a material effect for the club on the field of play but are sadly falling short of that expectation for whatever reason which may or may not be any fault of their own, then I think we are displaying prudence and sound judgement. That better? Too diplomatic. No place for that on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, MJC said: Okay. I’ll rephrase it then. If we are terminating the contracts of individuals who are being embursed to make a material effect for the club on the field of play but are sadly falling short of that expectation for whatever reason which may or may not be any fault of their own, then I think we are displaying prudence and sound judgement. That better? That's quite a climb down from your original statements. Suggesting that anyone not playing football for any reason other than injury is a wage thief is just ludicrous. Where would we be without fringe players who train hard and keep themselves fit so that they are ready whenever the players in their position are injured / sold /suspended? By your thinking, having a sub keeper who can be at the club for 2-3 years without ever playing (through no fault of his own) is stealing a wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: That's quite a climb down from your original statements. Suggesting that anyone not playing football for any reason other than injury is a wage thief is just ludicrous. Where would we be without fringe players who train hard and keep themselves fit so that they are ready whenever the players in their position are injured / sold /suspended? By your thinking, having a sub keeper who can be at the club for 2-3 years without ever playing (through no fault of his own) is stealing a wage. That’s not what I’m saying atall though is it? What the manager was, or appeared to be referring to was players who were completely out of the picture and had no future at the club. Danzaki, Aitchison being the obvious ones. Then you throw in McKinstry (a loanee who was always going to return to Leeds) and Shields (who was loaned out in January and clearly isn’t in the managers plans). I think it was obvious that the manager had identified who was going to feature for him and who wasn’t. Danzaki wasn’t in contention for a start ahead of Miller, Cornelius or Obika towards the end of last season. To give just one example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Not getting into huge debate but someone who isn't a game isn't a wage stealer.....they are just not good enough for the first team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, MJC said: That’s not what I’m saying atall though is it? What the manager was, or appeared to be referring to was players who were completely out of the picture and had no future at the club. Danzaki, Aitchison being the obvious ones. Then you throw in McKinstry (a loanee who was always going to return to Leeds) and Shields (who was loaned out in January and clearly isn’t in the managers plans). I think it was obvious that the manager had identified who was going to feature for him and who wasn’t. Danzaki wasn’t in contention for a start ahead of Miller, Cornelius or Obika towards the end of last season. To give just one example. The big problem with your argument is that none of the above was the players fault. They were victims of circumstance. As such they didnt take any action that was fellonious. Therefore they didnt steal anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 I fucking despair. Wage thieves? Get a fucking grip. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 To me the definition of a wage thief was the fucker who didn’t play for 6 month claiming a back injury but as soon as his contract was up fucked off up north and miraculously was fit enough to play again. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 13 hours ago, Mad Dog said: We've enough cover at centre half now so I'd like to see Butcher in that centre mid role (when fit). Yeh, it’s an interesting one that and I think he would be good in there (when fit), however he’s played so so well at centre half it would be a big call to move him out of there. I suppose it'll depend on how the defence does without him at the start the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 Butcher i suspect is more likely to stay in centre half but it does call out the obvious weaknesses we have in midfield last season it was a problem area for us and current status has only worsened . Suspect some of the key signings will come in midfield We could do with a Campbell and a Turnbull type . One to win the ball and another how can make things happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 15 hours ago, wellfan said: Let's hope he signed an extension beforehand. He did indeed but it seems for only a year. The official article this morning says he had signed an extension in the Summer but didn't mention how long it was for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 43 minutes ago, pretzel said: He did indeed but it seems for only a year. The official article this morning says he had signed an extension in the Summer but didn't mention how long it was for. Yeh, I just clocked that. The official website says he signed a short-term deal in summer 2023 and is contracted until May 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 Good news on Casey. Still think our first choice back line is a bit old (McGinn and Butcher are turning 33 this season) but maybe we can get one more season out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 Signing Casey is brilliant news. After KVV he was our best player in the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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