MJC Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 I like both players by my point stems from the way in which we, imo, gave Faddy too many chances after it was clear he was finished. He looked done in 2013/14 and then he left at the end of that season, which seemed like his time had come to a natural end. He then goes to St.Johnstone, hardly features, we re-sign him again and he offers even less this time. As you say it was depressing and sad to watch him in his latter spell, but he continued to get game time. And then this summer, some of our fans wanted us to give a similar chance to Moult even though he was with us last season and we had to cut short a loan deal because he couldn’t get fit for the first time in five years. Now why would anyone want us to do that? To use up a wage and a place in the squad for a player that we know for a fact has had horrendous injuries over the past five years and who we released from a loan deal just a few months ago? I can’t see any other reason than for sentimentality. As I said, no one is bigger than the club and there is no room for sentimental signings. And to answer your final question, no I wouldn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 The more successful players are after they leave us the better it is for us. Prospective signings can see we are a good step in their career progression and prospective buying clubs can see the value in players we are selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 hours ago, MJC said: I don't take pleasure in it, it's more that I just don't understand fans who put certain players on a higher pedestal than the club itself. Faddy and Moult being the prime examples. They don't place them on a higher pedestal than the club itself. The players you mentioned are considered by some to be cult heroes. Every club, no matter how big or small, has them. It doesn't mean the fans hold them in higher regard than the club itself. And like it or not, there's always going to be an element of romanticism in football. The idea of someone like Moult leaving, suffering injury woes, only to then return and lead Motherwell to success is something that a lot of fans would love to see happen. And they're always going to believe that club greats have one last run in them. And there's nothing wrong with that. If that makes them "misty eyed fanboys" or "trumpets" in you and a few others eyes, then I think that says more about you than them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the club should sign him. But it's the job of the board and the manager to be the sensible heads in situations like this, it's not on the fans to check their hopes and dreams at the door. If we all approached supporting Motherwell in the manner you seem to, we'd probably all be as dour and depressed as you seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, David said: They don't place them on a higher pedestal than the club itself. The players you mentioned are considered by some to be cult heroes. Every club, no matter how big or small, has them. It doesn't mean the fans hold them in higher regard than the club itself. And like it or not, there's always going to be an element of romanticism in football. The idea of someone like Moult leaving, suffering injury woes, only to then return and lead Motherwell to success is something that a lot of fans would love to see happen. And they're always going to believe that club greats have one last run in them. Yes every club has cult heroes and I fully agree that Faddy and Moult are two cult heroes of ours. But at the same time we can’t give players game time when it is clear that they aren’t cutting it anymore, for whatever reason. I was delighted when McFadden returned in February 2013 and then re-signed that July. But by the end of the 13/14 season he was clearly finished and that should have been the end of his playing days at our club. I was also pleased when we took the gamble and re-signed Louis Moult last August because I too wanted to believe and hoped that he would “have one last run in him”. However once it became clear in both players cases that it just wasn’t happening anymore then I accepted that the gamble wasn’t paying off and we needed to cut our losses and move on. That doesn’t diminish what both of them did for us when they were at their peak with us and nothing will ever take that away, but as a club we can’t afford to keep looking backward and hoping that Faddy is going to wind the clock back to when he was 19 years old with a red stripe in his hair and attracting interest from big clubs down south, or that Moult is going to go back to the player he was before he left us in 2017 and his horrendous injury luck since then. Sometimes some things are best left in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Both legends but should this not be getting discussed on former players thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, MJC said: But at the same time we can’t give players game time when it is clear that they aren’t cutting it anymore, for whatever reason. Oh, absolutely. I agree 100%, and my argument isn't that we should be giving players like Moult another runout at the club. I'm just making the point that those fans who say they think it would be amazing to see him come back and reclaim his status as our top goalscorer etc shouldn't be mocked for that. There's nothing wrong with being what I'd call a football romantic. God knows with the amount of oil money and cynicism in the game these days we could do with more old fashioned romanticism than ever before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, David said: Oh, absolutely. I agree 100%, and my argument isn't that we should be giving players like Moult another runout at the club. I'm just making the point that those fans who say they think it would be amazing to see him come back and reclaim his status as our top goalscorer etc shouldn't be mocked for that. There's nothing wrong with being what I'd call a football romantic. Yes and that’s all fair enough. And as I say I was one of those fans when Faddy initially rejoined for his 2nd spell and Moult came back on loan last year. But once they have come back and failed miserably to reclaim their status as top goalscorer because they couldn’t get anywhere near fit enough then I don’t see the logic in wanting us to try going down the same road again with them. That, in my opinion, is when the ‘romantic’ ends and ‘flogging a dead horse’ begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Suspect we'll hear that Shields & Efford move on before the end of the week. Is there any news on players coming in ? was hoping there may be 1-2 more coming our way. A creative midfielder would be front and centre of my current shopping list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, wellsince75 said: Suspect we'll hear that Shields & Efford move on before the end of the week. Is there any news on players coming in ? was hoping there may be 1-2 more coming our way. A creative midfielder would be front and centre of my current shopping list. If anything we need a box to box with a bit of a tackle in them without Butcher we are so light in Midfield i think we will get bossed pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 New signing tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Is it a one legged midget clown to replace Lamie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: If anything we need a box to box with a bit of a tackle in them without Butcher we are so light in Midfield i think we will get bossed pretty easily. That’s a good point. 2 midfielders would be ideal , a reall ball winner and someone who can make a pass or 2 . bring back wee Al and Turnbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, fizoxy said: Is it a one legged midget clown to replace Lamie? Sadly not. Heard it’s a midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 52 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: That’s a good point. 2 midfielders would be ideal , a reall ball winner and someone who can make a pass or 2 . bring back wee Al and Turnbull I'm a bit torn on midfield. We probably need another body but I don't want to only see Miller when Slattery is suspended... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just because Spiderpig says Moult was a bang average footballer and MJC agrees doesn't makes it true. I hope we can sign some more bang average players of the same level. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walking down the Fir Park Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 I understand all going well and work permit pending a further signing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 Gerry Britton's leaving partick to pursue further opportunities. Perhaps new CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 8 hours ago, walking down the Fir Park said: I understand all going well and work permit pending a further signing today. Any idea who it is or position? Doesn’t look like today now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 Some twitter rumours this guys signed but its rumours and I have no idea if its just a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, Well Well said: Some twitter rumours this guys signed but its rumours and I have no idea if its just a wind up. If true that is going to be a good song....."one davor zrdavkovski.... there's only one davor zrdavkovski" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 There was another twitter rumour doing the rounds about some Nigerian striker playing in Eastern Europe. Sunday Adetunji... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at least we have some rumours, happy to be linked with players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: There was another twitter rumour doing the rounds about some Nigerian striker playing in Eastern Europe. Sunday Adetunji... Personally I'd go for his younger brother Monday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 I'd take both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 AEL Limassol fan reaction to Zdravkovski being freed: "The arapi porridge continues" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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