joewarkfanclub Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 5 hours ago, David said: Well, I think I've been quite fair in highlighting the reasoning behind my thinking. It's not like I'm just posting, "he's shite! Terrible signing!" and other such nonsense we see from other forum members. I've given my reasons, and you and others can feel free to disagree, of course. At this stage, it's all just conjecture, as I've said a few times. And at no point have I said the manager doesn't deserve time. But that doesn't mean I need to sit silent and wait until we're at the end of next month before making a comment. I've said that I'm judging the signings on their track records to this point, which is what fans of all clubs all over the world do. It's not something new or unreasonable. I don't particularly like the sound of how the manager wants to set us up, and I'm not overly keen on our signings to this point for the most part. The difference between me and certain other posters is that I will take absolutely zero pleasure in being right about that if it comes to pass. I want the team to succeed, and for Theo Bair to be a resounding success. Why wouldn't I? Cant argue with any of that tbf. And I will give you Theo Bair. Even I was looking at a that one and thinking "2 year deal?" He may end up still being shite over the longer term, but his performance last week was enough to remind me that I should just wait until Ive seen the player myself before I think I know better than the manager. He clearly thinks he see's something in the guy and on the evidence of last week, he might not be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 Catastrophic is harsh. It was a gamble that didn't work out and he got the bullet at the right time. We got off to a fairly decent start under Hammell, things were going okay but he lacked experience around him. McGhee second spell, now THAT was catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 There are posts about getting some of our younger players on a possible longer contexts after the lesson of Max Johnston , for me the priority is to make sure SK is tied down to a longer contract ( no idea what contract he has) but I am sure SK will be on the radar of some of our rivals. (If Hibs fail to go through in Conference League Cup on Thursday I wouldn’t be surprised if Lee Johnston is emptied) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 Does having the manager on a contract give us any leverage? They usually just quit then rock up to their next job anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, middleeastdave said: There are posts about getting some of our younger players on a possible longer contexts after the lesson of Max Johnston , for me the priority is to make sure SK is tied down to a longer contract ( no idea what contract he has) but I am sure SK will be on the radar of some of our rivals. (If Hibs fail to go through in Conference League Cup on Thursday I wouldn’t be surprised if Lee Johnston is emptied) Hmmm... Manager comes in, saves us from relegation, starts off well the following season and is then handed an extended contract. Where have I seen that happen before? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, David said: Hmmm... Manager comes in, saves us from relegation, starts off well the following season and is then handed an extended contract. Where have I seen that happen before? I agree, SK has done superb so far but not wanting to make same mistake we done with Alexander by giving him a 3 1/2 year extension. SK on a 2 yr deal so no rush, we are only 2 league games into a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, fizoxy said: Does having the manager on a contract give us any leverage? They usually just quit then rock up to their next job anyway. Leverage. not so much. A useful pay-off, sometimes. You typically only lose a manager when he's doing really well or doing really badly. So the best we can hope for is the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: I agree, SK has done superb so far but not wanting to make same mistake we done with Alexander by giving him a 3 1/2 year extension. SK on a 2 yr deal so no rush, we are only 2 league games into a season Trouble is if you wait too long then it’s too late. Tricky!! I think I’d start discussions on extending a year or two just now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Trouble is if you wait too long then it’s too late. Tricky!! I think I’d start discussions on extending a year or two just now Sods law he would sign extension then we would lose 6 on the bounce........( I think MJC has hacked my account) lol, only joking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 3:32 PM, David said: If we all just "wait and see" we'd be as well closing the forum down and all going home. Can I? Go on, it'll be a laugh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said: Can I? Go on, it'll be a laugh. Would be funnier than my jokes... honestly....it would 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 4 hours ago, texanwellfan said: Trouble is if you wait too long then it’s too late. Tricky!! I think I’d start discussions on extending a year or two just now If we look at the pros and cons, I think the best course of action is to not offer him an extended deal. Pro - If he does well, we can argue for some compensation from any club wanting to take him. It wouldn't be all that much, mind you, considering the type of club that's likely to be interested in someone like Kettlewell. Con - If he doesn't do well, we have to sack him and pay him off, which means spending money we likely don't really have to spare. For me, I'd rather we run the risk of losing him if he does well. I'd rather be sitting in a great position and have him leave for nothing than be in the shit and have to pay him off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Not a bad way to look at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Still 2 weeks of the window left. Are we done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 minute ago, texanwellfan said: Still 2 weeks of the window left. Are we done? Ideally we get Furlong back and add someone to compete with Spittal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, steelboy said: Ideally we get Furlong back and add someone to compete with Spittal. Would love Furlong back, as for Spittal I think he has been doing great, doesn't the credit he deserves in my opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 SK talking this week about still needing to move some out to get some in, so I suppose it all depends on who we can offload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Would love Furlong back, as for Spittal I think he has been doing great, doesn't the credit he deserves in my opinion get 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Ideally Furlong, A Rwb and a Defensive mid feel we're lightin terms of competition in all 3 areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 On a Positive when was the last time we had all of our striker options contribute in the first few games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Saturday was first i have seen of Suare. Yes the reviews previously were not great but i thought he did well. Furlong was good but if Suare keeps up that form and perhaps adds to it, theres no need for another LB. I would quite like to see a wide player added to the squad. Yes, thats not SK's preferred shape but would be good to have options. In an ideal world a forward thinking midfielder who happens to be on the same wavelength as Mika. Someone who can see the runs & makes the passes. Im not sure we have anyone who operates on that level anymore. Hopefully miller will get there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 13 hours ago, steelboy said: Ideally we get Furlong back and add someone to compete with Spittal. Furlong won't be back we have no need for him anyway Souare will do just fine as for Spittal I'd be happy for him to have no competition for his place and start every week, since SK arrived he's been one of our best performers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 47 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Furlong won't be back we have no need for him anyway Souare will do just fine as for Spittal I'd be happy for him to have no competition for his place and start every week, since SK arrived he's been one of our best performers. You do realise people get injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 minute ago, wunderwell said: You do realise people get injured I think that’s why we signed Paton, as I’m sure he can cover several areas of midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, wunderwell said: You do realise people get injured As it happens i do, we have Paton as midfield cover so no need for additional signings to warm the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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