steelboy Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Stephen O'Donnell gets on every week without fail to pick up a win bonus despite Max being the far better player but McKinstry gets the cold shoulder despite our lack of attacking options and him being our second top scorer. Who's cornflakes did he piss in? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 McKinstry is a winger, we are not playing wingers in this formation, O'Donnell is a defender/wing back. McKinstry cannot defend to safe his life. Pretty simple really. We have plenty of attacking options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 O'Donnell still getting booed which I find bonkers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Well Well said: McKinstry is a winger, we are not playing wingers in this formation, O'Donnell is a defender/wing back. McKinstry cannot defend to safe his life. Pretty simple really ^^ This. One of my big gripes with Robinson (a lot of the time), Alexander and then Hammel was playing a formation that played players out of their position and shoehorning square pegs into round holes, which means that a lot of players weren't getting the chance to do what they were good at. Kettlewell has put together a formation that is generally playing players where they're at their best. KVV is a great example. You canny have an instinctive goal scorer being given the ball on the half way line out wide, He needs service in and around the box. Goss at 'quarterback', Cornelius chasing and harrying and Spittal going forward quickly gets the best out of all of them. Overlapping backs negate the need for wingers and we have 2 good ones right now. McKinstry may be a player but there's no place for a winger in the current set up. Would be mental to alter a winning formula to accomodate a loan player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 The manager killed the game and changed the formation today to give his boy Paton a run about. It's not about the formation. McKinstry is clearly a better player than guys who are getting minutes for us but he is miles out the picture. And for the hard of reading the comparison isn't between McKinstry and SOD but the fact that the manager is happy to significantly weaken the team to give SOD an appearance and win bonus but McKinstry who would strengthen us is frozen out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 He is probably shaping his own team for next season and I do not think McKinstry will be part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 If Mckinstry was not a Motherwell boy this would not be an issue. The system we play does not lend it's self to wingers. Should we change the system just to accommodate a loan player? I think not. Why are fans worried about a player who is not ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, sinjy said: If Mckinstry was not a Motherwell boy this would not be an issue. The system we play does not lend it's self to wingers. Should we change the system just to accommodate a loan player? I think not. Why are fans worried about a player who is not ours? We played a 5-4-1 in the second half today with Spittal and Paton trying and failing to support Van Veen. He would have been an improvement over either of them. Aitchison and Mandron also aren't exactly setting the heather on fire whereas McKinstry has our second best goals per minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 One for older readers but Mandron reminds me of Crawford Baptie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: One for older readers but Mandron reminds me of Crawford Baptie Aye, but nowhere near as skilfull or mobile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Well Well said: McKinstry is a winger, we are not playing wingers in this formation Just wait until steelboy discovers we're not playing a back four. His head might explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davkel Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Maybe there are other reasons why he is not getting brought on .. who knows But certainly he doesn’t fit into the formation we are currently playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Van Veen played a lot of the 2nd half out wide left. I think you can make an argument that we would have been more effective with Mandron withdrawn, Van Veen more central and McKinstry going wide. Especially at 3-0 you can surely experiment a bit. There are a few players who have been more or less patched under Kettlewell. Tierney, McKinstry, Crankshaw, Danzaki, Blaney etc. It's a results business but I think if it's purely a footballing decision McKinstry has been a little bit hard done by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Kettlewell would be insane to change a wining team and style. That’s the simple response to those making comments about certain players being sidelined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Blaney was injured and only just coming back. He was playing before his injury. I would definitely not say he had been patched in any way. Danzaki was also injured and only just started back. Crankshaw was let go for reasons that had bugger all to do with his ability on the park. Obika will be back shortly as well and is keen to hang around into next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 52 minutes ago, Well Well said: Blaney was injured and only just coming back. He was playing before his injury. I would definitely not say he had been patched in any way. Danzaki was also injured and only just started back. Crankshaw was let go for reasons that had bugger all to do with his ability on the park. Obika will be back shortly as well and is keen to hang around into next season. I missed this. What's the craic ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 9 hours ago, wellfan said: Kettlewell would be insane to change a wining team and style. That’s the simple response to those making comments about certain players being sidelined. In this league if you only have one 'style' your success will be short lived as other teams will figure it out. Happens all the time when managers have a good run in one set of fixtures and then when they play teams a second time round they are sussed. It's one of the biggest reasons why no team, outside the OF, can really put together any kind of consistency. Also, it's possible to have a base structure and then adapt that depending on what is happening in a match. That's really the key to being a good manager. Making intelligent changes in response to the flow of the match. Not rigidly sticking to one system for 90 minutes every week. I'm not saying McKinstry should be starting matches, as has rightly been said we are in form right now, but I don't think it's literally impossible for him to play a part in this side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Hard to argue with success. As such, players who are unhappy about not making the team have two options, take the hump or do something in training to grab the attention of the manager. While waiting for their chance they just have to remain patient and believe that the chance will come. When it does they need to be ready to grab it with both hands. It really isn’t a bad position to be in from the perspective of the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Think we really have to trust the manager. McKinstry could fill in for Spittal in the support role I feel. Shame he's not getting more involved but ultimately he's not gonna be here next year. I can see it from that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 12 hours ago, steelboy said: The manager killed the game and changed the formation today to give his boy Paton a run about. It's not about the formation. McKinstry is clearly a better player than guys who are getting minutes for us but he is miles out the picture. And for the hard of reading the comparison isn't between McKinstry and SOD but the fact that the manager is happy to significantly weaken the team to give SOD an appearance and win bonus but McKinstry who would strengthen us is frozen out. Clearly the manager has not got a clue what he’s doing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 10 hours ago, AllyMax said: I missed this. What's the craic ?? Lets just say that him turning up for training at his club surprised more than just the Motherwell fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 I think we can say that the honeymoon period is well and truly over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 I feel sorry for McKinstry but when the team have won 5 out of 7 games it's hard to change a winning formation. Maybe play him off KVV instead of Mandron but apart from difficult where he fits in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 As much as McKinstry is a good, exciting player, you have to be off your head to suggest he should be in the team. We have just nailed 16 points from 21. Outside the old firm we are the form team. Kettlewell is making all the right calls at the moment. If we were not pulling in the points at this rate then yes, perhaps we could question him but for the time being, just enjoy the roll! Some folks just like a moan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 I think Stuart McKinstry has been a victim of circumstances. When he came in Ketts said that he'd strip things back to basics, which he's done very effectively. He believes 3-5-2 suits the players he has at his disposal. It remnaisns to be seen how Ketts reacts when we're safe - does he change the system or try out fringe players to assess them for next season? As for young Stuart - he is out of contract at leeds in the summer. Other things being equal he'd like to stay if the circumstances were right I'd think. But, if he wants to move on then who can blame him. A lot depends on the conversations he's had with the manager. Don't forget, during the dark depths of Hammell's reign, he was one of our better players - not an easy time to shine for any our lads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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