bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, steelboy said: Has anyone took legal action against the club? No idea. The club admitted two parents came to them alleging he had touched their kids. He was sacked, but it was decided the police should not be informed. He later committed the same offence at Partick Thistle. No one at Motherwell informed them of why he was booted from Fir Park. Are you saying we shouldn't pay any compensation to the people involved unless they can prove our culpability in court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: No idea. The club admitted two parents came to them alleging he had touched their kids. He was sacked, but it was decided the police should not be informed. He later committed the same offence at Partick Thistle. No one at Motherwell informed them of why he was booted from Fir Park. Are you saying we shouldn't pay any compensation to the people involved unless they can prove our culpability in court? Aye there would have to be a legal process. You really see the true colours when this topic comes up.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Can anyone explain what all this has to do with refereeing inconsistencies? Leave all the ugly sisters shite to the bigots on follow follow and Kerrydale Street or whatever forum they use these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 11 minutes ago, steelboy said: Aye there would have to be a legal process. You really see the true colours when this topic comes up.  There are no true colours involved here, we're not the Old Firm and it's not a competition to see who was worse. You raised the subject, so I'm asking about our responsibility. Should we as a club not make things easier for the victims, rather than as difficult as possible, as you - rightly - accused Celtic of doing? Leaving Hart aside, individuals who worked for Motherwell were clearly involved in allowing this abuse to continue elsewhere, whatever their justification, then or now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Get this talk fired straight into the bin. This is a forum about Motherwell, not on children being sexually abused at another club decades ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said: Get this talk fired straight into the bin. This is a forum about Motherwell, not on children being sexually abused at another club decades ago. I would've agreed, but since that can has been opened, what part of kids being sexually abused by a Motherwell employee is not about Motherwell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 27 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I would've agreed, but since that can has been opened, what part of kids being sexually abused by a Motherwell employee is not about Motherwell? If the individual concerned was not convicted of any of these allegations then statements like that can get you in a lot of trouble, and they have no place being discussed on a football forum of any club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: If the individual concerned was not convicted of any of these allegations then statements like that can get you in a lot of trouble, and they have no place being discussed on a football forum of any club. Why would I get in trouble for repeating what the club have publicly admitted and issued an apology for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 20 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: If the individual concerned was not convicted of any of these allegations then statements like that can get you in a lot of trouble, and they have no place being discussed on a football forum of any club. To be fair this has been discussed in the press with MFC statements attached and the individual concerned is dead. I do understand your point but if you are talking about defamation it would amaze you the stuff that can be said on social media... Without consequences because it tends to be only rich people that can sue. Speaking from experience unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, bobbybingo said: There are no true colours involved here, we're not the Old Firm and it's not a competition to see who was worse. You raised the subject, so I'm asking about our responsibility. Should we as a club not make things easier for the victims, rather than as difficult as possible, as you - rightly - accused Celtic of doing? Leaving Hart aside, individuals who worked for Motherwell were clearly involved in allowing this abuse to continue elsewhere, whatever their justification, then or now. The reason that Motherwell did not call police was because the parents didn't want them to. That's been reported in the press. If any mistake was made it was not alerting other people to these allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 16 minutes ago, wellgirl said: The reason that Motherwell did not call police was because the parents didn't want them to. That's been reported in the press. If any mistake was made it was not alerting other people to these allegations. It was a joint decision between the parents and the club, according to Jim McMahon. I'd like to think that wouldn't happen these days. 'We exist to improve people's lives' - I know that pisses off a few folk on here, but I think it's a great way to look at the club and they certainly do that in many ways that make you proud. I hope that we act accordingly on any wrong doing uncovered by the internal investigation. What others do, or don't do, is up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Getting back on topic (kinda), the EPL are going to vote on scrapping VAR https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n1ndlknk1o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 8 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Getting back on topic (kinda), the EPL are going to vote on scrapping VAR https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n1ndlknk1o I'm not surprised Wolves want it scrapped - they have been on the wrong end of multiple VAR mistakes this season. Can only hope we scrap it too, but not holding my breath on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, bobbybingo said: There are no true colours involved here, we're not the Old Firm and it's not a competition to see who was worse. You raised the subject, so I'm asking about our responsibility.  If you are bringing up a single allegation against Motherwell to deflect from 80 odd convictions against a child abuse network operating inside Celtic Park then i'd say true colours are really on show. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 29 minutes ago, steelboy said: If you are bringing up a single allegation against Motherwell to deflect from 80 odd convictions against a child abuse network operating inside Celtic Park then i'd say true colours are really on show. I'm not deflecting anything. Celtic's handling of the allegations at the time and ever since, using lawyers and the courts to drag cases out in an attempt to save themselves from potentially huge payouts has been horrendous. I hope that's a clear enough view for you. As for our club, even if it was a single allegation against Motherwell, does that mean it doesn't matter? You seem to be saying, pay them nothing unless they take you to court and win. In what way does that make things easier for the victims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 There's no one who wants an apology or compensation but you are comparing it to Celtic. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 6 minutes ago, steelboy said: There's no one who wants an apology or compensation but you are comparing it to Celtic. Unbelievable. Yes, there is. But since you're not interested, why would you bother checking the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 Bump. Another shocker from the officials. Why is it that we seem to be the only team punished for apparent foul throws? In swinging corner deemed to have gone out of play?? Also thought they had toned down hand ball penalties.  These unknown numpties they keep promoting beyond their abilities is farcical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, Orinoco said: Bump. Another shocker from the officials. Why is it that we seem to be the only team punished for apparent foul throws?  It wasn't for a foul throw. Balmer stole 10 yards when the ref spoke to Miller and the defender. The ref then told Balmer to get back and Balmer acknowledged him then just threw it in without moving back. You can tell Balmer is Irish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 6 minutes ago, Orinoco said: Bump. Another shocker from the officials. Why is it that we seem to be the only team punished for apparent foul throws? In swinging corner deemed to have gone out of play?? Also thought they had toned down hand ball penalties.  These unknown numpties they keep promoting beyond their abilities is farcical. What’s ur question re the inswinging corner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 Obviously still a lot of inconsistency with hand ball. The guy hammers the ball very close to Halliday, his arm in a normal position for his movement. No way he could get his hand out of the way. Their disallowed goal correct. Rule clearly states even if accidental you can’t score a goal with your hand/ arm sounds biased but I think I’m being neutral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 Irrespective stealing yards goes on every week. As said it seems we are the only team to get punished for it. As for the corner. Anybodies guess why it went against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 17 minutes ago, Orinoco said: Irrespective stealing yards goes on every week. As said it seems we are the only team to get punished for it. As for the corner. Anybodies guess why it went against us. No ref was going to let Balmer away with that. He's just not very bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 I have no issue with the throw-in decision, as long as the officials are consistent in the application of the law. Spoiler alert**** they aren't. From the Cooper stand it was impossible to tell whether the corner went out the park, it did look like the referee gave the decision rather than the linesman though, and he had as bad a view as I did. The referee was as poor as most Scottish referees, he stopped play several times for offsides when the play had broken down and the defence was in possession, it just slows the game up for no reason at all, except to allow the ref to be the centre of attention. Some of his decision making was just baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 A lot of the current top level referees are pretty inexperienced. It's the same as inexperienced players they are going to make mistakes. In a way you can accept it from Hardie but Beaton is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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